Wladimir Klitschko-Ruslan Chagaev question...

Why? I think Wlad is far more likely to fight the best out there. Wlad is 100% healthy, and has not pulled out of any fight that I can recall.

If Chagaev wins, I don't think he will seek out challanges by mathcing himself vs younger fighters as Wlad has. See the Peter, Ibragimov, or Haye signings.

The WBA has not handled their title belt with distinction with Valuev or Chagaev. I have seen bad decsions, and too many flip-flops as to who the champion is. You really want Chagaev to win? Be carefull what you wish for.

 

So having two fights in 26 months (neither of which were against top 15 fighters) is enough?

Give me a break. That's the definition of ring rust, he's going to be going from fighting twice in over two years against mediocre fighters to stepping in against an elite HW.

I hope he's at his best and will give Wlad credit regardless if he wins, but lets not pretend that Chagaev has been fighting actively and lighting the world on fire.

 

He just accepted a fight with the consensus #1 HW in the world on short notice, I don't think he's going to be avoiding anyone.

 

Well in a matter of just a few weeks, he had signed to fight Nikolay Valuev, then accepted an even bigger match against an even better fighter in Klitschko. Therefore, I think its safe to say that he's not tip toeing around the division looking for easy pickings.

As for why I'd like to see Chagaev win, I have basically already explained this. Chagaev is younger than bothof the Klits, as well as still having claim to an undefeated record. The other two guys are between 33-37 years of age and have combined losses to Sanders, purity, Brewster, Byrd and an old Lewis. Now granted, both Klit brothers are probably better than Chagaev, but an upset resulting in an undefeated unified champ would not be a bad thing for boxing. We need new blood, and if the Klit Bros both defeat all the best fighters out there, we will never see a true unification match between the two best fighters in the world, as Wlad and Vitali will never face each other. Chagaev pulling off a Douglas-like upset, may be the omen we should be hoping for...

 

You may well be right ,[Haye is an unknown quantity], but because they are top 10 guys doesnt make them good,I dont blame Wlad, he has agreed to take on a southpaw rated in the top 10 , unfortunately the only real guy with a near 50/50 chance against Wlad is his big brother.
I think Haye would have given us an exciting fight ,though it might have been a brief one. Chagaev has no drama in him imo ,and I expect a pedestrian performance from him,It would be nice to see Wlad open up and go for a stoppage, perhaps he will, if he softens the smaller man up enough.
Chagaev winning would be a major upset imo,he is a level below Wlad, along with everyone else.

 

Why are you guys critisizing Wlad? All he does is sign to fight the best prime heavyweight contenders in the division(potvekin hayne chagaev etc) What the **** has vitali done? You should be critisizing Vitali. Vitali's resume is a joke compared to Wlad's. Vitalis technique and skills are also a joke compared to Wladimir's.

 

Might be a diferent matter once he had the belts in hand.

I think Wlad is a safer bet to fight the best out there.

 

Vitali has also pulled out of more scheduled fights than anyone in history. Who is vitali fighting next? Lets see him take on some young real in shape dangerous heavyweight contenders the way Wlad is signing to fight. If Vitali takes on either Haye, Dimetrenko, Potvekin, Valuev, Arreola, Chambers I will give him respect.

I disagree. You have to take into account different skill levels. Wladimir is far better in every offensive department than Vitali. Technique and skillwise, Wladimir has the edge by a landslide. Wlad is also younger than Vitali. This shows me Chagaev will be able to execute his gameplan alot easier on someone like Vitali than Wlad. Chagaev will be able to land his best stuff on Vitali, he won't on Wlad. Also, Vitali is old and his reflexes have slowed...this allows a man a younger man like chagaev the strong advantage.

Maybe against 2nd raters. Lets see when he faces a Haye, Potvekin, Valuev, Chagaev, Arreola, Dimentrenko, or Chambers

Wlad fought a much trimmer better version of Sam Peter. Wlad was the one to take the "0" away from peters loss column. Peter had fire in his belly then. He doesnt have it anymore.

Gomez looked DREADFUL against Vitali. He showed up a fat blubbery overweight 230lb. Gomez looked much better 3-4 years ago when he was coming into the ring at a fast trim 215lb. Gomez was not prime. Brewster, Rahman, Ibragimov, Brock were all better. Thompson vs that version of Gomez is a toss up.




I have read that Wladimir and Vitali are willing to fight eachother if there mother gives them her blessing. This would be a big mistake for Vitali. Vitali in his prime would have been outclassed by wladimir. A old slow Vitali of today would get shellacked by Wladimir...Outboxed every round and eventually stopped if Wlad pours on the pressure.

 

I'm not critisizing him Suzie,I commend him for taking on a high ranked substitute ,who is a southpaw to boot,imo Wlad is head and shoulders above the rest of the division [VItali excluded], its not his fault, he can only engage in meaningful matchups with those around and to his considerable credit he is doing that in this fight.:good

 

Wlad is willing to fight the best, but the most important man in the division to fight is his brother which will never happen. With Chagaev at least there's the possibility of it happening.

 

Sadly I think they'll just remain rumours.

And hey, just because someone may not see Chagaev as this super-fit ferocious destroyer that could wipe every other heavyweight (bar Wlad & Vitali natch) out in a blink of an eye does not mean they either hate the Klitschkos or want to rubbish their efforts.

Some things though seem too obvious to not pass comment on. Chagaev has not fought much in the past 2 years and has not looked good while doing so. He was having problems with a padded fighter like Drummond for goodness' sake.

Is this going to change the fact that Wlad will become the Ring Champion if he wins this fight? No. Does this change the fact that Wlad has a good chance to put on an impressive offensive showing in doing so? No. You can't always have 100% so what's the problem if Chagaev may not be quite the fighter he was? He'll be good enough anyway...let's just not fool outselves into saying he's in tip-top fighting form.

There's such a thing as over-gilding the lily. It doesn't always have to be super opponents in super fights with super performances. Sometimes you just need to beat someone and be happy with that.