Wladimir Klitschko Should Be More Appreciated

Then you are stupid. Povetkin, Haye, Chagaev and Sultan are good fighters, but obviously physically overmatched and dramatically overmatched in experience. Sorry, but no one with any intelligence would argue that they weren't.

 

No, I am telling the truth, and obviously so. You are citing fighters who are obviously physically overmatched--most would have been more suited to being cruisers. Haye was.

Really sad you can't admit this to yourself.

 

You are a guy whose opinion I respect, but I have him 11-12. It gets very subjective, and I could see him at 10, so maybe we will meet there.

 

Haye was the size of Ali.

 

hilarious take. an old AJ looking like crap vs a young often hyped guy somehow destroys the fact a shot 41 year old Wlad almost beat a prime AJ?

 

Ali was not beaten by a LHW and knocked down by a super middle.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_at_the_1976_Summer_Olympics_–_Light_heavyweight

 

Amateur doesn't count. Sultan and Chag were not superheavies, but the amateur equivalent of cruiser, so if you are going to try to include amateur, its really making the point that Wlad's best comp was physically overmatched."

What is the point of citing Leon, anyway? He beat a decrepit Ali who was showing Parkinsons and popping thyroid pills.

 

It’s not at all surprising that you shifted the goal posts from me saying Haye was Ali’s size to you trying to denigrate Haye’s career.

 

Are you really rating Wlad on his last performance? Why dont we rate Pac against Marquez or Floyd based on his fights against Maidana?

 

Lost a lot of respect for him after the octopus attack on Povetkin and also the dodgy games he and K2 played with Fury to undermine his performance (gloves and canvas), plus the leaping headbutt in that fight. He's also very unbearable with his sanctimonious garbage and his fake nice guy act. The love affair with AJ was also cringy. In some ways he's better than his brother, who was threatening Corrie Sanders after the victory like a scumbag. But the K brothers are not what they present.

 

No, I denigrated Haye's career upfront. But it is irrelevant, as the point that has already been explained is that there is a certain degree of evolution that goes on, and a fighter is based on what he accomplished in his own time. 6'3" and naturally 190-200 was a huge heavy in the late 60's. It's small for the 2000's, and Wlad got away with fighting guys who were not physically imposing to him.

But again, no one shifted any goalposts...you just have reading comprehension problems:

 

I have Wlad at #5 at heavy all time rank.

 

It's true though. I'm not trying to knock on Wlad but certainty, in American publications of the time (magazines, articles etc) there were plenty of journalists and trainers lamenting the lack of quality American heavyweights as they were drifting into other sports like basketball and wrestling instead.

 

let me just say this some might have not liked wlad style in the ring and so on but what he did was close to perfection especially after his defeats.
He knew exactly how to fight smaller fighters and guys his size. He was like an artist who was painting a picture over 12 rounds or less