Wladimir Klitschko vs Ali

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  1. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Prime vs Prime who takes it. I got Wlad stopping Ali late.
     
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  2. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne’s life coach. Full Member

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    Why would you do this to us. Start this thread... which will go to one-hundred and twenty six pages of back and forth bickering emotional nonsense. By page three you’ll start seeing CJ-esque all caps words like DESTROYED! ROBBED! FACTS! TRUTH!

    Personally I think Wlad gets a beating from Ali jabs all night in a boring Wlad V Fury type outcome. That’s just me.
     
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  3. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Your so right:risas3: I just thought it was a good matchup
     
  4. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne’s life coach. Full Member

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    It is.
     
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  5. Jackman65

    Jackman65 No longer booted! Full Member

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    I miss watching Ali fight, except for the old shot version. When he was in his prime, he made it look so easy. Wlad had size and maximized his skill set. He was a great champ and this fight would be closer than many people might think but Wlad was soooo boring to watch at times. I’d be rooting for Ali and would be pissed if he lost, even if it was a legit loss.
     
  6. miniq

    miniq Big Stiff Idiot banned Full Member

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    Both headhunters
    Both clinchers

    One is a big stiff idiot
    You pretty much have to kill Ali to stop him, just like Fury

    really comes down to is Wlad too big?

    I know Wlad would fold in manila heat for sure

    Did Wlad get a-side rigged canvas?

    I'll never admit to Wlad trumping Ali in a fight,
    ever.
     
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  7. Surrix

    Surrix Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you think that 38/39 y.o Wlad was prime Wlad?
    Then I will compare with this : Holmes had beated up PRIME 38.y.o Ali?

    Kovalev had beated up PRIME 49 y.o Hopkins?

    While I do not agree with this, if you made statement that 38/ 39 y.o Wlad was in his prime, remember that you use dual criteria to judge boxers prime depending from boxer's origin. :D
    Let me remember you, Lewis had retired when he was 38 and Rocky when he was 32.
    Ward had retired when he was 33 and DLH when he was 36. Do you think this is coincidence? They were very popular and might had earned damn a lot with next fights. Ask yourself : did they had retired because they were in their prime and peak?

    You get it: Kovalev had beatet up prime Hopkins and Holmes had beated up prime Ali? :D

    I normally will use the same attitude as is used vs Wlad and other EE boxers regards their prime.
    All western boxers too are in their prime regardless from age etc.
     
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  8. Surrix

    Surrix Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not sure. Of course, you never will value EE boxer normally without bias as western fan you do have bias.
    Remember: Ali heritage is higher than Foreman's and he is considered as better than Foreman. With Frazier Foreman had dealt easy if compare what had happened with Ali vs Frazier. He ate a lot.
    Prime Wlad most likely had picked up the same stuff as Foreman did vs Frazier and Wlad had better reach and size. Also he might maul ppl in clinches and sorry, Frazier didn't had lasted 4 rounds vs prime Wlad. Despite Wlad is EE boxer.

    You value only western boxers and are delusional.
     
  9. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne’s life coach. Full Member

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    No. Nor did I say it was.

    I’m not sure if you are trolling, or English isn’t your first language but either way...

    I said the outcome would be the same. I never mentioned Wlads prime. I didn’t state Wlad was in his prime during Fury (he wasn’t) The outcome of a fight can be the same as the outcome of another fight years apart.

    You are making a straw man arguement, arguing against things I never said. Take a breath, if you have an emotional response to everything you will have a difficult life.

    None of the other boxers you mentioned are relevant. There is one Wlad, there is one Ali. This thread is about them. Ali in his prime could fire his jab on the half beat and be out before the beat finished. Wlad never saw speed like Ali had. Speed kills. Speed is deadly.
     
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  10. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne’s life coach. Full Member

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    And here on page one we already have our first emotional nonsense poster, saying I said things I never said. Told you so.
     
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  11. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot El gran campeón Mexicano Full Member

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    This keeps the site going just choose a side
     
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  12. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne’s life coach. Full Member

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    Lol. I did. Ali.

    Ali always had a plan and a backup plan. I don’t think a Prime Ali would take risks against Wlad and would box the most safety first fight of his life.
     
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  13. Surrix

    Surrix Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ha ha ha.

    Emontional nonsense is to pick boxers and tell how prime Ali will beat them up.
    Waste of time too.
    I suggest you pick up long list with boxers and discuss with posters how Ali will had beat them up.
    Emotional nonsense or entertainment, still this looks so boring. :D
     
  14. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vladdo too big, too good.

    Klitschko has seen something closer to Ali than Ali Klitschko. Look at the way Povetkin got tossed around like a child. The strength in the clinch, and being able to throw KO shots out of the clinch will get Klitschko the win.
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Active Member Full Member

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    Ali UD. He'd be mobile and his head movement is even better than Furys. Could Klitschko knock Ali out ? Yes but Ali in his prime had a significantly better gas tank. Klitschkos jab and size would give Ali problems but it would be Klitschko who'd be getting bamboozled by Ali's feints and his fluidity. I obviously agree that size matters but stylistically this is legit a bad match up for Klitschko