Wladimir Klitschko vs Bob Fitzsimmons

Wlad vs. old timers per Sonny Liston.

My thoughts.

1 ) No one is going to out box him.

2 ) Few will be able to take his punches for long. Defense is needed.

3 ) Punchers have a chance ( including Fitz ). If they are durable with good stamina, their chance goes up.

4 ) Some height, and reach is needed. Brute strength is also needed if Wlad decides to clinch. Good footwork is also a plus as they have to get into range.

Louis, Dempsey or Jeffries to me are the best three picks.

 

Seamus is 100% correct. Wlad is as careful or as aggressive or as careful as he chooses to be. He fights on his terms. The last time out he destroyed Pulev with an all time Ko. That left hook to end it landed in a flash with the force of a sledge hammer wrapped inside a boxing glove.

Wlad's skills, power, and hand speed are world class. Few heavies had better range, or footwork to fight Wlad on his terms! He's not a highly rated " pound for pound fighter " for nothing!

Maybe his chin is suspect to power punchers, but it has been solid for years on occasionally hard shots landed. If needed Wlad has world class ability to execute a clinch, and tremendous strength and a weight advantage to keep it. His footwork, and defense rather good.

He's one tough out, even in his late 30's.

 

yes as I said, he fights the way he does because he fights smart.

Do you have a problem admitting this?

 

Tell me which HWs are unable to do the basis of boxing you just mentioned?

He wouldn't even have the top 5 jab if he fought in the 80's. What great jabbers has he ever beaten?
He got out jabbed by Pulev within the first 20 seconds of that fight and was forced to then abandon it completely.

The murderous lead hook was dodged easily by Haye standing still for 12 full rounds.
The only guy of note he put away with a lead left hook was Pulev , who was just standing there asking to be knocked out.
He lost a battle of left hooks against the ordinary Brewster.


You have been very critical about Tommy running from Foreman , when everybody knows he put on a clinic.

Explain to me what im looking at here?

http://s02.yapfiles.ru/files/708906/Wladimir_Klitschko_vs_Alexander_Povetkin_3.gif

This is entering Mongoose territory now:tired

He hasn't better footwork than a Helenius or a Vitali.

The common opponents fought prove that.

Helenius used his footwork to toy with Sam Peter. Turning him, spinning him , stepping-pivoting out of range , walking him on to counters.
Peter never got close to RH , once and he never had to use a clinch in the whole fight.

How was this the result of Wlads performance if he possesed better footwork than everybody in the history of the sport:roll:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/

Likewise , Vitali shut Peter out from the outside without ever using a clinch.

A guy with the best footwork of all time doesn't perform like he did against Povetkin.

Watch Povetkins next fight against Tackam and watch Tackam successfully control Povetkin for 5 rounds with his reach and movement.

Something Wlad couldn't do for a 5 second stretch.

How about when Williamson gave him lateral movement and angles which caused him befuddlement , confusion and a visit to the canvas.

We have to keep it real here , ok? If we're being real , Tyson Fury has shown me better foot work , movement and stamina in his short career than Wlad has in his entire life as a pro.

Never has Wlad glided around the ring effortlessly against a pressure fight like Fury done against Chisora.

We're dealing with mediocrity here . Not all time greatness. Holmes had all time great foot work. Clinchko ? ? :nono

 

If Fitzsimmons could manoeuvre Wladimir into position he could get results. This dangerous window however is unlikely to open with any sort of regularity. Dr. Steel Hammer is odds on to make a mess of Ruby's complexion and get him out of there.

 

I thought I already had?:huh

 

Fantastically skilled yet can't fight inside to save his life?

He has perfected a style that works admirably for him and he employs it in a country where he is permitted to bend the rules,[and his opponents backs] in applying it.

 

Very tall fighters, especially heavies wherein there can be a vast difference in height and length, should be loathe to do too much work inside, lest they end up shot at 28 years old. The uninitiated drool over Bowe's inside work while not recognizing how much more he got tagged there rather than at range where his physical advantages would take over. Knowing the right fight to fight is more important than knowing well how to fight the wrong fight.

Ali went an entire career without ever building a body attack and being reluctant to stay inside himself. He did alright.

 

Could Ali fight inside to save his life? Wlad does not need in-fighting skills to dominate. As far as Ali bending the rules, Ali and his corner probably did that more than Wlad has.

 

What happens when the inside fight is forced upon you?

Should every fighter be allowed do what Wlad did to Povetkin because they don't want to get hit on the chin?

You think its easy to keep a prime Holyfield on the outside? Ask Buster Douglas. Even prime Valalev couldn't keep Grandpa Holy on the outside.

Did Ali do alright ? A lack of inside game allowed Frazier beat the daylights out of him.
Most of the time he did alright since he had authentic great movement and the fleet of foot to compensate a weak inside game.
And Wlad isn't even going up against prime Jor Fraziers here.
He needs to bend and cheat against one dimensional ordinary men in the worst HW era known to man.

 

Ali done a lot of clinching against Frazier II. Because he lost the first.

Do you agree Wlad would have lost to Mormeck , Thompson, Byrd, Haye etc etc etc without the clinching and rule breaking?

 

Are you crazy? Wlad KO's Mormeck any time. Haye ran away from Wlad. Bryd had nothing on Wlad. Thompson gave Wlad a fight, but I do not recall a lot of clinching.

 

Thank the lord for small miracles. We should be grateful he doesn't employ a body attack, either.

Think of all the damage he's done around these parts without an extensive inside game. There'd be unfathomably higher levels of psychological trauma amongst many fans here if it matched his outboxing repertoire. The tyrant's already caused enough trouble.

 

Aye, laddy.

It's going to be O.K. It's tough to stop the bad man, but we're trying.

If I were Bad Cop, this is where I'd mention that Ali was booed in the FOTC for clinching. But I'm not. So I won't.

 

Laughable Dino. Wlad has an all time jab, and can dominate a fight with it alone

Oh, the first 20 seconds? What about the rest of the fight.

Because Haye punked out once Wlad cracked him in round five and ran.

BS. Wlad finished plenty of guys with the left hook. Check the Ray Austin fight and you will see a deadly left hook.

1 ) Brewster was highly ranked for a while. 2 ) Wlad won the re-match with ease.

That's because he did. Morrison almost ran out of gas vas an old man too.

I can post photos of 50+ Wlad knock outs. Pretty much self explanatory. Povetkin did not win a round and was floored often. He did not have to let anyone clinch him. Sometimes fighters are okay with clinching instead of staying on the outside taking punches, which Povetkin did.

Helenius has better footwork? LOL. You really do not know what you are talking about. I do think Vital could cover a lot of distance quickly with his feet if needed.

It must be tough to be you. Wlad has been on top for many years, and beats everyone in the top ten. It's not an accident Dino.