Wladimir Klitschko vs Bob Fitzsimmons

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You really aren't much of a boxing fan, are you?
     
  2. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    some states wouldn't even allow this fight to happen these days. wlad would outweigh him by some 70 lbs. i don't see how anyone can be high on fitz in any type of head to head matchup with later fighters from the footage we've seen.
     
  3. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Lewis fanboy's lame try. Calm down little loser !
     
  4. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I disagree. I think Valuev outweighed Haye by more than 70 lbs.
    And the glass-chinned coward Haye won.
     
  5. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    McCall and Rahman destroyed a prime, prepared Lewis.
    Forget these pathetic excuses ! But McCall wasn't prepared when
    Lewis beat him.
    Vitali Klitschko humiliated a prepared 100% prime Lewis.
    The glass-chinned Lennox was fat and overweight but he was prepared.
    Your " big handed waldo" couldn't knock out the glass-chinned
    Haye. Where was his big right hand. In his ass ?
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    You don't really know much about boxing, do you?

    How about the big handed Shavers not KO'ing Bob Stallings? Or is that all Greek to you?
     
  7. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    true, none. he'd be doing an impression of himself versus Sanders in mere seconds, the good ol "panic attacked" great Waldo chicken dance.
     
  8. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Yeah, because you and I know perfectly well that Lennox would turn up fully motivated, both physically and mentally for someone as potentially dangerous as Vlad.
     
  9. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    What you know and a penny wouldn't buy a bottle of water. Lewis was still in Vegas filming less than 2 weeks before the Rahman fight. Rahman meanwhile had been in South Africa for a month, to acclimatise to the altitude. So much for the weirdo's who claim Lewis was a PED user. Lewis looked fuked after 3 rounds in that fight.

    The McCall win was good, but like Rahman, avenged.
     
  10. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First of all Lewis was a full-time professional athlete in his prime obviously he was prepared .
    This Vegas excuse is ridicolous.Only the ring performance is
    important and Rahman destroyed the prepared 100% prime Lewis'
    glass chin. Otherwise i think everybody knows these ridicolous
    excuses .Don't waste your time to these stupid excuses.
    I think Lewis was a PED user.You can't prove Lewis was PED free.
    Show me a Lewis training program try to prove it !
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    To what extent is the altitude an excuse?

    Hard to say really.

    The fight took place at 1900 meters above sea level as far as I can tell.

    I have ran ultra marathons at greater altitude than this, and the altitude caused some problems, but allowed normal functioning for the most part.
     
  12. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why ? Who fought Lewis at 1900 metes above ? A hologram ?
    The glass-chin and the bad defense aren't altitude problems.
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And the rematch? If Rahman was so good, and Lewis so bad, why didn't he win the rematch?
     
  14. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    Nobody is discounting those two defeats.

    Without those two defeats Lewis is considered the best ever. With those two defeats he isn't.

    You enjoy poking fun at Lewis and Wlado, you do it well, its over the top while you blend in facts which makes it funny.

    In the end you know that Lewis and Wlado are two of the very best heavyweights ever.

    Certainly in your top 20 I am guessing?

    or do you rate them lower than that?
     
  15. Entaowed

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    latineg unfortunately it is not intended as irony & comical overstatement.
    He literally does not have Wlad in the top 100 HWs, & I assume likely Vitali too.
    It is insane.

    Few make excuses for Lewis, it is his fault he did not adequately prepare for Rahman one, & came too late to fully adjust to the altitude, but these are the facts.

    Nobody is more of a moralist & scold towards athletes who choose to lie, cheat, steal victories, money, fame from more deserving folks who do not use PEDS.

    But there is no direct nor good circumstantial evidence that Lewis used.
    His total mass & rate of gain does not seem ouitside what is probable for a well trained man of his size at all.

    To say You cannot prove he did not use" betrays a deep bias.
    It is basic logic that you cannot prove a negative.
    What would a training program prove? Nothing/ Someone could lift or do something else to add that muscle, easily.
    Anyone COULD have drugged or (you or I) be an axe-murderer.

    VVMM leading question for the Prosecution: "When did you stop beating your wife"?