Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye - Prediction Thread

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Assuming the fight gets signed, of course, who wins a July 2nd fight?

    I've picked Haye for a long time but I realise this is a risky fight for him. He doesn't have the best chin and Wlad has unbelievable power, so it is conceivable that Wlad could knock Haye out very early. However, we also know that Wlad has a weak chin and if Haye comes out throwing bombs, it's unlikely that Wlad would survive the onslaught. So what seperates the two?

    The difference for me, is the mentality of each fighter. We've heard non-stop about what Wlad wants to do to Haye. He doesn't just want to knock him out, he wants to play with him for 12 rounds, like a cat plays with a half dead mouse, beating Haye up with his jab, making his face a bloody mask before finally getting the stoppage in the late rounds. Since switching trainers to Manny Steward, Klitschko has only stopped one fighter early and that was the poor, overmatched Ray Austin and even then, Klitschko wasn't throwing hurtful shots, it's just that Austin couldn't take them. You could argue that Haye is the weakest chinned fighter Wlad has fought since the Steward switch, yeah, but if Rahman can last 7 rounds and take many good shots, the chances of a blowout against Haye aren't huge.

    On the other hand, Haye has talked about "destroying" the Klitschko's. He doesn't want it to go in the later rounds and he probably realizes that the longer it does go, the better chance Klitschko has of losing. Haye has 16 of 23 knockouts within the first 3 rounds and why, so he is a very fast starter. Wlad, on the other hand, has only had 1 knockout in the first 3 rounds, in the last 8 years. He likes to work behind his jab, break his opponent down and then finish them off in the final third of the fight. Haye is a fast starter and likes to jump on his opponent before they chance to find their rhythm.

    Stylistically, one thing to note about Wlad is, he doesn't throw right hands against a moving opponent. He simply doesn't because he knows that, if he misses, he is open to be countered. As long as Haye keeps moving, he doesn't have to worry about a big right hand because Wlad is too cautious to throw it. Wlad will stay behind his jab, ensuring his balance is steady, and he doesn't get countered, which will allow Haye to stay on his toes, slipping the occasional jab and waiting for the opportunity to get on the inside.

    When the fighters are on the inside, this is where I see Haye knocking Wlad out. Wlad's defence on the inside is a simple one - He doesn't slip shots, he doesn't block them, he doesn't fight back, he simply grabs on to his opponent until the referee breaks them apart. However, as we've seen time and time again with Haye, he is very good on the inside because he avoids being grabbed, slips out of it and then lands uppercuts and hooks. As Wlad doesn't have any real defence on the inside, if Haye can slip out of the clinch like we've seen before, he will land some good shots on Wlad.

    Assuming it doesn't get that close, I imagine the fight will be a simple one. Wlad will be pumping his powerful jab out, Haye will keep slipping it and moving to avoid the big right hand and then jumping into with fast flurries. For Haye, it's essentially a 'guerrilla' type fight. He has to stay out of reach, be evasive and then when the time is right, strike fast. We've seen Haye do this before and the only time we've seen Wlad against this form of attack was against Corrie Sanders.

    Wlad is a better all-round fighter than Haye but, stylistically, I favour Haye. His speed, athleticism and power will give him the edge in this one. He has a lot of strengths which Wlad has never seen, so as long as he is typically unorthodox, I predict Wlad will be knocked out and be the 17th opponent of Haye's, to not see the 4th round.
     
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  2. Robney

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    poll? :hey

    edit: ok there it is! :good

    I guess the playing with Haye won't actually happen on fight night (assuming this fight will ever happen of course), stakes are to high and we will probably get a potshotting Haye on the outside and Wlad chasing him with his jab until he lands something big.
     
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  3. RoosterC

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    I honestly think it would be a blow out. Wlad would win every round and eventually KO Haye, probably in the 4-6th round.
     
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  4. cesare-borgia

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    Good read:good I agree that this fight isnt likely to go the distance, if haye is able to get inside and avoid wlads jab he will do big damage and knock him out, on the other hand wlad is more then capable fo kncoking him out. Its too difficult to choice one where I would be sure but if I really had too I would pick wlad because he is more proven at heavy.
     
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  5. The Mongoose

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    Haye will be cautious and looking to counter, but Wlad will keep his left hand jabbing, pushing, and measuring him. Power shots will follow on the worn down Haye, forcing a late stoppage. However, I think Haye can go the distance in a losing effort if he stays on the run like he did against Valuev and Wlad doesn't push for a knockout. I don't think waiting and countering is the best tactic for beating Wlad, Haye won't bring the necessary pressure to force him out of his comfort zone and end up waaay behind on points.
     
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  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks :good

    Yeah, I almost think this is a case of 'who lands first, wins'. Both men hit very hard and neither has the best chin. I pick Haye because I think he's more ferocious and Wlad's cautious style that he's had to use for the past few years, will hurt him against someone like Haye. That cautious style only works against the type of opponents Wlad has been fighting but Haye is a different type of opponent altogether.

    I understand people picking Wlad and I think he's the justified favourite. Either man can win at any moment, which is why it's such an interesting fight to think about.
     
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  7. joeyboy

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    I would love Haye to win too rub it into all the people who hate him, I admit he has brought alot of the hate on himself though, but I just can't see it, he's got a punchers chance at best
     
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  8. sosolid4u09

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    It aint going 12 rounds.

    I favour wlad to win 70/30.

    Those who say Haye only has a Punchers chance Dont know wtf they are on about
     
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  9. elTerrible

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    Haye is too sloppy, he has fast hands and that is it. He has a puncher's chance but Wlad has improved his defense and style dramatically since the last time he has been knocked out.


    If Haye doesnt get wlad out of there in the first 3 or so rounds, which he wont, he is going to get a big beat down once wlad has figured him out and has established controll, haye will be reduced to trying to pop shot from the outside and getting countered badly. He will get stopped in the later rounds.
     
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  10. MaliBua

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    Wlad KO By Jab.
     
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  11. Bill Patrice

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    This fight is easy to predict if you had complete inside knowledge from both Haye and Wladimir's camps and psyches.

    If Wladimir Klitschko is is perfect shape (almost a given), starts confidently, and gets to work early with his right cross and left hook, then this is going only one way. Wladimir at 90percent or more is a great heavyweight fighter. He hits too hard, and is far too good a boxer to let Haye control him. If Wladimir fights at his best he gets on top of Haye, wears him down and stops him. HOWEVER and it's a big however, Wladimir is not always, or even often, operating at over 90percent.

    Emmanuel Steward often barks at him in the corner because he feels he is underperforming given his ability, and we all know he has severely unperformed in the past. If David Haye can create anxiety by boxing well on the backfoot, and making an increasingly gunshy Wladimir pursue him then I believe Haye will catch him with big fast right hands over the top, shake him up and stun him inside of 5 rounds. It requires Haye to be in tiptop condition, light agile and fast.

    One of the bext fights in boxing because there is a genuine possiblity of a big upset i.e Haye KO. The fight comes down to Wladimir, if he is too conservative, reluctant to get Haye's respect, and overly anxious then he gets knocked out. Otherwise if he fights at his best he wins by KO.
     
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  12. pawelek2610

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    :good
     
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  13. Bajingo

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    Good post. :good
     
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  14. madballster

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    If you look at the fight as a probability event, then I'd have to go with Wlad. It's more likely for Wlad to win against Haye than to lose. Doesn't mean Haye can't win, I just believe Haye has the odds stacked against him more than against any other opponent in his career before.

    I see it 70:30 in favor of Wlad.

    I am a little concerned the fight will disappoint. We've waited for so long, my gut feeling is that we'll all be amped up, coming in with huge expectations and then when it's over we feel a little underwhelmed, especially because both men know of their vulnerability and will likely stay cautious for much of the fight. Hope I am wrong.
     
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  15. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post.
    One thing though about Wlad's recent early rounds; Chagaev, Chambers and Peter were all in troubles in the second. What Chagaev and Chambers took I can see Haye surviving also but the bombs that Peter ate are something that David's dome can't handle. If he takes even one of those it's over and it doesn't matter if he sees it coming or not.

    Wlad by KO.
     
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