Wladimir Klitschko vs Erik Morales

It shows you can't comprehend the post, actually.

 

Morales had the tougher division (Hw has always been with the weakest divisions)
Wlad has the domination.

Morales > Wlad

Even if Wlad continues to dominate for another 5 years I wouldn't rank him that high on the ATG list.
Though he's one of the greatests hws of all time. (I just don't rank heavyweights very high relatively to non hws)

 

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Duran was all guts, no defence, just wild swings, shitty jab, never feinted, his head movement consisted of slamming his head into punches because he thought that was fun.
His only good win (green Leonard), was on a cherry picked night (Leonard was sick and drunk)

And Jesus was a shitty lightweight, hell he had been dead for almost 2000 years, and Duran got knocked down two times by a corpse.

Ignored and reported.




(I'm bored)

 

I agree with most of what you say, but it's apples and oranges. It normally takes many hard shots for even an elite bantamweight/light welterweight fighter to stop another on a similar level, as demonstrated by the number of decisions on Morales record, in the heavyweight game one shot can end a contest so Wlad has evolved an outside style that makes the most of his undoubted qualities and eliminates risk. Holding Wach was surely the best policy for Wlad when he landed big, just like it was for Lewis when Vitali rocked him so badly in the second round. Anyway, Wlad's style has worked better for him than Morales's. He's not been a belt holder for 9 years.

 

I belive Wladimir wins by KO.

 

i don't want to pull appart your argument but a few things i've highlighted in red i disagree with.

1)Wlad can fight on the inside, he doesn't choose to do it because it is higher risk tactic for him. logically speaking if you can win doing a specific thing 100% of the time (at least for now) would you continue doing it? i would. Wlad showed awesome inside game in his earlier years, but he also understands that a punch can end a fight (espeically at heavyweight). He doesn't do inside fighting but when he used to he was great at it.

2) I agree that Wlad doesn't go to the body which doesn't benefit him but at the same time it lowers the risk of him reaching down to hit someone's body and leaving himself open. For Wlad specifically it might not make a whole lot of sense to go to the body even though there are clear benefits of doing so.

3) The arsenal of punches Wlad has is insane... he doesn't use them all likely because of risk/reward.

4) against Wach Wlad got tagged once or twice and he showed great defence... it wasn't just going into a shell he started punching back almost right away but he also slipped a punch beatifully right before he started punch back. it wasn't the simple shell... hug... lean... there was quiet a bit of skill involved in what he did after he got punched.

 

I agree with that.

 

**** I thought this was just a trolling thread on a mythical fight

Morales and it's not ****ing close. atsch Wlad isn't even top 100 ATG

 

This really isn't close.

Morales is a better sbw than wlad is a hw.

I thought Morales lost the first fight with mab but he beat a still prime version in the rematch. In his sbw-fw prime Morales was a handful for anyone.

Past his own best he still had enough about him to defeat a prime atg in Pac and also give MAB another great fight. Yes he lost to Raheem at lightweight but by then he was a stone north of his prime and faded skillwise. Even then he had enough to beat David Diaz and Maidana on my cards. Plus he gave Garcia a tougher fight than Khan did.

Wlad has dominated a division but one where the next best challenger won't face him. There will always be those that can argue (wrongly imo) that at no point was wlad better than vitali. Wlad has had a great run as champ from 05 to now. An 8 year reign is nothing to be sniffed at but he has probably the weakest resume of any great heavyweight aside from maybe John L. Achievements are only one part of the argument, his resume is gonna struggle to ever match those achievements.

Morales has both great achievement and great resume. King of 3 divisions and so nearly a 4th. Victories over fellow greats and a very impressive skillset.

This isn't really close, providing you know what you're talking about.

 

Wlad is a skill-less HW who without big power and size advantage has nothing to fall back on.
He fights behind his size, thats not a skill.
Wlads claim to greatness is beating Chris Byrd.
The most moronic thread ive ever seen.

 

If you had read my post, I gave credit to Morales for outboxing PAC. Outboxing Pac is much more significant than Maidana, no matter how washed up Morales was at that point. Maidana is a crude slugger; he hits hard, but outboxing him does not mean you have a very high skill level, even when past your prime.

It's the fundamentals that Wlad does so much better. That's why he has a higher skill level. His jab is sharper, crisper, more powerful, more accurate. Wlad's 1-2 is BEAUTIFUL, have you seen Morales'? Wlad has better footwork, both have good feints, Morales has better counters. Body punching and inside fighting clearly goes to Morales, but these are things that are not as relevant in modern HW fighting.

I have been and will always be a fan of Morales. I am simply predicting that W.K. will be rated more highly once the dust settles.

 

Has any of them won an Olympic gold?? Just curious :think

I mean before you start shitting on ALL of Wlads accomplishments.

 

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