Wladimir Klitschko vs Joe Frazier -- you know this is gonna be divided.

Wlad throwing an uppercut? When where how.

 

Although I don't think wlad laying on joe will help fraziers chances much even though he has that style to beat wlad.

 

Same for Wlads right hand.

People go on about foremans amazing power which he did have but it was very crude. Wlad delivers a great straight right. Not a looping hook come uppercut.

 

Every time wlad gets hit hard he looks like he's about to have a panic attack

 

You should probably be banned. I don't think it would hurt the quality of the forum at all.

 

Show me ANY fight where Frazier didn't come out of it with a face like a bag of spanners.

I don't care whether or not you think Ali was cruel to Frazier but he was on the money when he said Frazier was insulted if someone missed him with a punch. A blind man could hit Frazier with ANY punch he threw. Klitchko would bounce him around like a rubber ball, solely because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to miss Frazier with whatever punch he threw, and 245 lbs smashing into Joe's head sees an early conclusion to the proceedings.

Joe's complete inability to avoid getting hit would make even the most timid Heavyweight brave ( yes even David Haye ), never mind a giant with the power of Vlad Klitchko.

 

This sounds about right.

 

Jennings and Pulev have beaten who exactly?
Pulev's best win is over a 41/42 years old Thompson. Jennings a split decision over Mike Perez who would have got a draw if he hadn't had a point deducted for hitting on the break.Perez has beaten no one and just got blasted out in a round by Povetkin.The division is very very very POOR.

 

Whom have they beat?:deal

 

Foxy again shows his lack of knowledge. Ali missed at least 30-40% of his punches during fight 1 against Frazier. He missed those shots because of Joes head movement.

 

I haven't done a punch stat for FOTC but Ali is on record as saying Frazier was easy to hit in that fight,and Joe's face afterwards surely proves it.

 

Mcvey, if you're trying to honestly back up a case that Jennings and Pulev haven't clearly distinguished themselves at heavyweight from the others you mentioned, I'm going to assume you're being disingenuous. They're not in the same leagues on performances or names on their win list. That's no better than Boxed Ears's trolling and I don't see the point wasting your time with it or mine.

And "Who have they beat" is pretty much a conversation ending rhetorical question that shows someone has no intention of a real discussion, in my experience. If you know what they've all done and how well they've done it, there really isn't any debate about them being more serious heavyweights by at least one clear league than the others. The rhetorical "Who've they beat?" is something I see on these forums all the time and it's a worthless statement that sounds like it's a point, when in reality it's just rhetorical nonsense that doesn't deserve an answer. My opinion. Neither Pulev or Jennings or the era is great. But the point was about lumping them in with the others when they obviously deserve and are better than that. Any argument to the contrary holds no water.

 

Banned because you don't like what he has to say? "I don't agree with him so he's stupid."

 

This

 

I love Frazier but the huge stylistic and physical advantages Wlad would have over him is a hell of a lot for Joe to overcome ..