Wladimir Klitschko vs Joe Frazier -- you know this is gonna be divided.

Explain to me if you think you can how this,


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in any way, shape or form resembles this,


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which is nothing more than a perfect impersonation of a Jewish pilgrim paying homage at the wailing wall.


Look below for yourself at the left hand side of the picture at the 9 - 11 second mark, if you doubt it. Apparently these guys can keep that up for a lot longer than a 12 round fight.

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Well my opinion is no more valid than yours.

 

Strange how these height and reach stats sometimes get exaggerated.:think

 

I thought Frazier might be getting overrated in the thread which is why I did't enter it before... I was right.

 

Given what some folks say, you would think anyone over 200 pounds could walk into a gym and walk out heavyweight champ.

It's pretty obvious who has and hasn't spent any time in the sport.

 

I dont think anyone would have an easy time with the FOTC 26 fight Frazier but that being said he was beatable after that, Daniels rocked him and so did Stander and Ali and much acclaim is given to Foreman but Frazier was off after FOTC but still got up from Foreman 6 times and it was a one-sided fight because Frazier really did not land anything.

Vlad has improved and is very skilled, one of the best if not the best over 220lbs, only Lennox being close in the Big man league but both were KO'd by men who were not punchers in the elite sense and i am not talking about Sanders (he could hit and had speed and southpaw) McCall, Rahamn, Brewster all in the 6"1-6"2 range but not elite punchers so IMO opinion both Vlad and Lewis could be KO'd because they were already

 

Frazier had better stamina. He went flat out for 15 rounds against Muhammad Ali 3 times. Whenever Wlad tried that he gassed and got knocked out.

 

Leon Spinks did. Joe Frazier did. Ken Norton did. Larry Holmes did. Trevor Berbick did. Let's not pretend that Ali was indestructible. And yes, I think that you could swap Chagaev and Frazier and their records would be almost identical in either time.

 

Povetkin's victories over Chris Byrd, Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagaev, and Marco Huck ought to compare favorably with Frazier's victories over Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Ellis, Oscar Bonavena, and Bob Foster.

 

I agree with Frazier having better stamina (let's not forget Wlad is about 6'7).

I really don't see many other advantages that Joe has over Wlad.

 

"Go away from my window leave at your own chosen speed,the drugs that you have brought me ,are not the ones I need."
R Zimmerman

 

Chagaev's win sheet is full of second and third raters.

All the men you mentioned that beat Ali did it when he was past prime ,except for Frazier who got him when he was ring rusty.

 

McCall is 6'2", 231.25 lbs when he kod Lewis.
Rahman is 6'2.5" 236lbs when he kod Lewis.
Brewster is 6'2" 226lbs when he kod Wlad
That is 3" in height and about 25lbs in weight on Frazier.
True they were not elite punchers, but imo they hit as hard as Frazier just not as often.

 

I just have to wonder when someone shows marked improvement in one area. It would be like Paulie Malinaggi turning into a kayo artist overnight! Vlad didn't have stamina issues, he looked ****ing ill!

 

Frazier had ATG will to win, courage and killer instinct. All characteristics Wlad lacks. In a battle of attrition Frazier wins.