Wladimir Klitschko vs. Joe Louis.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by VG_Addict, Dec 11, 2016.


  1. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hard to argue with a guy who provides video evidence to back his opinion! Seriously look how much Primo looks like Wlad in the ring, sure his footwork is a step below Wlad's but he looks similar.
     
  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad and Carnera aren't comparable.

    Wlad has a better jab, better footwork, and is faster.
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I would say that although Wlad is better, there is a comparison to be made.
    The main things being size, and certain stylistic choices it imposes. And also the fact they were both world class fighters competing at the same level.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't want to hurt your feelings, but Carnera is in a different category than Wlad on the inside!

    I would challenge you to show me the film saying otherwise!
     
  5. Brixton Bomber

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    Wlad is a much better overall fighter than Primo.
     
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  6. Vic-

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    Louis feinting, and slipping to his left and countering Carnera with a righ hand comes to mind..
     
  7. Vic-

    Vic- New Member Full Member

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    I see that it was discussed already.... Carnera´s jab was not bad at all, it was different than Wlad´s though, defnitely slower too...
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes he is!

    But the problem is that people are arguing that Wlad represents a quantum leap in technique!

    That simply isn’t the case.

    Carnera is the inferior fighter by a significant margin, but he is actually better from a technical standpoint!

    Suck it up buttercup!
     
  9. Brixton Bomber

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    How so?
     
  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    https://streamable.com/a78a

    Carnera could show some nice rhythm in his balance. Using subtle upperbody movement to offset Louis, and to close the distance. And then throws a quick, crisp hook behind the jab. Some decent boxing there.

    If I looked at this clip in isolation, I would assume this to be a bridge too far for the smaller guy to overcome the bigger man. It just looks too easy for Carnera to walk him down.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    Great clip. Follow that left hook with a clinch and you have something resembling Wlad.
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Those counter rights Louis lands after sidestepping the jab.

    Wlad would not survive too many of those.
     
  13. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I know this question was intended for Mendoza but I'll chime in.. While I did NOT see Walcott's fights with Louis, there were many who felt Walcott deserved the nod. Here are some notes from boxrec


    • Louis was down in rounds one and four.
    • Louis was so disgusted by his performance that he attempted to leave the ring as soon as the fight ended, but he was restrained by his handlers.
    • A ringside poll of 32 boxing writers had 21 scoring the bout for Walcott, ten scoring it for Louis and one calling it a draw.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Louis in his autobiography said he had no doubts that he had won the fight since Walcott ran away.He said he started to leave the ring because he was dissatisfied with his own performance , not because he thought he had lost.
    On the TV programme," Louis v Walcott How It Was ,"he reiterated in public, and in front of Walcott that he felt he won the fight.
    Approximately two thirds of the ringside reporters thought Walcott deserved the nod, no one alive has seen the full fight so we are in no position to state equivocably either way.For a poster to confidently state,[as Mendoza has several times,] that on the basis of the available highlights Walcott deserved the decision is lunacy ,imo.
     
  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah I'm really not sure. Without having seen either fight and without the ability to obtain it then I can't draw any conclusions. It certainly seems like a lot of written reports at the team leaned towards Jersey taking it but who knows.