Wladimir Klitschko .Vs. Max Baer

Vlad by mid to late round ko. Baer, although a good puncher, doesn't impress when you see him on film. His boxing is crude and for a big man with a long reach his jab is nonexistent. Without an effective jab I don't see how he sets up an offense against the bigger and much more technically skilled Vlad. Sure Max could hurt or stop Vlad with his big right hand but I don't see him landing it often enough to do any real damage, all the while eating Vlads jabs and crushing rights along the way. If Max had the same skillset as Vlad then I would pick Max almost every day of the week but since he doesn't then Vlad prevails.

 

Agreed,

and I will also mention something that no one else has so far, and that is Wlad was only stopped by left hooks, something that Baer was not particularly skilled in throwing.

 

has anyone seen the sam peter fight? peter is crude slow and predictable as hell, yet he floored wlad 3 times and had him near another panic attack. I think baer finishes what peter started.

 

Your hate for the Klitschkos gets more and more absurd. Stay objective. Two of Peter´s knockdowns came from rabbit punches, none was a right hand punch - Max´s a one handed fighter with a nearly non-existent left - and Wlad was never really hurt from them. Instead he outboxed and nearly knocked Peter out at the end of the fight - so much for his stamina issue.

Why do people always think of the Wlad of years ago when it´s clear that today´s version is so much different to then? It has to be bias.

 

I think Baer mostly got by because he was a massive guy for a boxer (in his day), could hit very hard and took one hell of a shot. Ironically, a lot of people say the same about Wlad now... well, except for taking one hell of a shot, of course.

However, Baer is one of the crudest and most unskilled champions of all time. The Braddock fight was not a fluke or because he was "clowing" (15 rounds long, that's one hell of a circus night). He was simply outboxed by a better, more skillful boxer as he had been and would be often.

Watch the Louis fight and see for yourself how Joe is not capable of missing that jab.... or any power punch, for that matter. It amazes me how someone with 60 or so fights looks and is worse technically than every amateur in my gym. Some guys, like Marciano, look crude but when you watch closer, there's a lot of skillful things you miss at first. With Baer not so.

Anyway, his power do give him a good puncher's chance, but other than that, i see him taking a ton of jabs and right hands to a decision loss.

 

Wlad: UD.

 

He may have said that but it was hardly right. It was a close fight until the stoppage. If i remember right, i had it even going into the last round of that fight.

I agree with you that this wouldn´t be an easy fight but Wlad is the all around better fighter and the only thing that favours Baer is that Wlad´s greatest weakness is Baer´s greatest strength.

Interestingly that´s similar to Joe Louis and Max Schmeling. Joe Louis weakness of dropping his right after throwing his left just happened to clash with Schmeling´s strong right hand. Schmeling said in his biography, they were made for each other. But we all know what happened when Schmeling exposed this flaw in Louis´ game. He adjusted and smashed Max in one round.

So, Wlad´s weaknesses had been exposed by Purrity, Sanders and Brewster and like Louis he adjusted - changed his style to safety first and worked on his pacing and stamina. So, when he would meet Baer he already corrected this flaws and the only chance Baer has left is the ordinary punchers chance.

 

True, which is why he also has a chance against Wlad.

But this goes both ways. Braddock was known for having hand problems, to the degree that he was stripped of his boxing license (in the brutal 20's!). Carnera is said to have had an ankle injury, possibly causing some of the knockdowns. Wlad broke his thumb on Brewster.

Maybe they're true, maybe not. I just see a lot of excuses for Baer. He lost the title because he clowned 15 rounds long, he broke his hands, he had the flue, hell it's a wonder he made it out of the ring alive!

However, the fact that he couldn't get back on track after the Braddock fight indicates that he had more trouble than just broken hands.


On a sidenote, if he did break his hands it wouldn't surprise me the slightest bit. Punching the sloppy way he does is just asking for hand injuries.

No, but he could have. And it shows you that just because someone is "knockdown-able", it doesn't mean that he is dead meat against a durable puncher. Baer received a horrible one-sided beating.

 

Actually, Klitschko's stamina as of late has been excellent. I think he could go 15.

 

Right, a shaky chin can´t be corrected but it can be protected and that´s something Wlad learned pretty well. It would be very hard for Baer ot get by Wlad´s jab, than he has to face a good tight guard combinated with good upper-body movement and Wlad´s grab tactics.
Also, like i said earlier. Wlad´s chin isn´t that good but his heart is. In all his three losses he beat the count every time and wanted to go on. This is often overlooked.

I agree with you that Baer would certainly be a harder test than anybody he faced. But i don´t think he would beat him, perhaps 2 times out of ten.

Well, can´t disagree here.