Wladimir Klitschko vs Riddick Bowe, 12 rounds.

Lots of great points made here... When looking at this,you really have to look at and think,`prime` Bowe. Which was sadly quite brief... I see this going the way PP sees it going down. Razor sharp Bowe ( with THE master in Futch in the corner) stay after Vlad. Vlad tries to keep him off and consistently clinches,but has trouble with Bowe inside,why ? Because Bowe was (without question) the best infighting big men ever in the heavies,taught all the correct tactics by Futch. At some point he catches Vlad and when he does... Vlad has been hurt and stopped by less than and vintage Bowe can certainly do the job.Enough with the Golota comparisons! If you don`t know that Bowe was done by then, you seriously don`t know your boxing. Futch said that after Bowe beat Holy ( first bout) Newman took him on a tour of Africa ( I think) and that he was never the same fighter after that. He said he lost muscle mass and tone and he never got that back. The Bowe that beat Holy,first fight, drops and stops Vlad before the 10th...Vlad`s chin will let him down in this one...And I choose Bowe`s heart over Vlad`s,all night long ...

 

Underestimating Wlad. Few points:

1) Wlad is a master of clinching. He is strong enough to clinch properly and avoid any damage. You can see in his fights that he rests his head on his opponents shoulders so they won't be able to hit him.

2) Wlad is a good infighter as he has the ability to deliver powerful left hooks from 6 inches away against his opposition.

3) Wlad has ALWAYS gotten up after being knocked down.

4) People keep on bringing up Futch. Steward was a pretty good trainer himself.

5) Most important point of all. Bowe has terrible defense, Wlad has great defense.

 

There's nothing masterful about Wlads clinching. He does it to mask is waeknesness and limitations as a fighter. As pathetic as it is , its also straight up fouling. He wouldn't and hasn't been allowed gat away with it outside Germany.
Back in the 90's with MilLS Lane around , Wlad wouldn't have a career.

Then why is he the clinch master?

Peter didn't have the legs to go after him. Bowe wouldn't give him time to breathe if he knocked him down.
As soon as he went down against Brewster and Sanders his fights were stopped

Wlad has no defence. No upper body and no head movement. He can't defend himself in close where Bowe would be chopping him down from all angles.

 

Ridiculous. You don't become HW champion for as long as Wlad has with "no defense". He barely gets hit against all different styles of fighters.

Notice how you didn't say anything about my Futch vs. Steward comparison.

 

His defence is jumping all over peoples back. Thats not boxing , that fouling.

Whats there to say. Both were good trainers.

Manny mainly thought Wlad to hold but he abused it to the extreme

 

His clinching is survival only, it`s not like it`s a well planned strategy. As much as I love Steward... You don`t know boxing if you try and compare him to Futch,fact. And I mean no disrespect to Steward. Vlad`s `infighting` is woefully insufficient compared to Bowe`s not even in the same league. As for his chin, he has been dropped and stopped by inferior opposition... Bowe was more hittable,why ?? Because he was willing to put himself at risk to dominate his foe. And I mean against REAL opposition. Not imagined threats, like Vlad`s opponents. The way he clinches inside,Bowe would pick it apart, with Futch`s expert mastery of strategy. If he held with one hand, he would get a good going over from Bowe`s free hand. And, Bowe has never been stopped...Vlad on the other hand...

 

Great points ! People act like Vlad`s `clinching,hugging is this master `strategy` ... After Purrity, Sanders and Brewster, he employed it for survivival and safety...Geez if Brewster and Sanders drop and stop him. Scary to think of what PRIME Bowe would do...

 

It's professional boxing, box out of the clinch or use ring generalship to get out of the way if he is trying to hold you down.

 

Scary to think what PRIME Golota did to PRIME Bowe.

Golota got owned by Brewster, which Wlad rolled on and beat him so bad there wasn't a need for a rubber match.

Any version of Wlad would terrorize Andrew.

 

Brilliant post ?? Guess you can`t read His own trainer said he was not the same after he fought Holy first time... Ignorance at it`s finest form if you are comparing the Bowe that fought Golota to the Bowe that won the title against Holyfield... Great post !!

 

Ok, READ carefully... Futch had forgotten more than Steward knew... Again zero disrespect to Emanuel, who was a great trainer in his own right. But, if you had a clue about boxing, they are not in the same league... Do I need to write it again for you ?

 

"Futch said that after Bowe beat Holy ( first bout) Newman took him on a tour of Africa ( I think) and that he was never the same fighter after that."

The guy was 28 years old. Who cares if he took some tour to Africa (you think)? What has that have to do with his boxing career. He still managed to win the rubber match with Holy. How do you explain that?

 

This is like saying, "I like Oprah Winfrey, so that doesn't make me racist".

You are disrespecting Emmanuel Steward, how can you say otherwise?

Futch has forgotten more than Steward knew is an insult. It's obviously not true either, it's an expression that is sometimes used to put a fine point on things.

 

Okay, I will try again... When a guy like Futch,makes a statement regarding his fighter, and the shape he is in (both physically and mentally) saying he is no longer THAT fighter... Read c a r e f u l l y ! Futch said he was NEVER the same fighter after that... He eventually quit the corner when he realized he couldn`t get him to a level that he was comfortable with to work the corner.Do you understand boxing ?/ Benitez was done in his mid 20`s ! Oh,who was Benitez ? Wilfred Benitez, youngest champ ever,won the title against Kid Pamblele Cervantes at 17 yrs old. So, yes fighters can and do burn out early. Hope that helps ...

 

Emanuel Stweard is one of the all time best. Look at his body of work. However,you asked about a comparsion between steward and Futch. Again, if you knew boxing you would find that Futch is pretty much rated THE dean of all time trainers. So, you can leave race and Oprah out of the conversation...That was actually a pretty sad comparison on your part ...