Wladimir Klitschko vs. Riddick Bowe. Prime for Prime. Who wins?

Lewis's best win is holyfield 1 (**** the judges) followed by holyfield 2.

I don't understand your point, we both agree they'd be in his top 5 right? It's just that I rate byrd as a better victory than them two.

I'm not patronising you, i'm agreeing with you.

Lewis is much better than wlad, but on the outside the two are equally effective.

I don't really understand what you're getting at.

We both think they'd be two of wlad's best victories. We both think lewis is a better fighter. We both think they're equally effective on the outside.

Where's the debate?

 

Bowe would in 1 of 10 fights against Wlad. Perhaps 2 but I doubt it.

Vitaly would annihilate Bowe completely.

In fact Bowe would never enter the ring against Vitaly.

Bowe was ok against small fighters like Holifield. Against decent sized guys like Golota... Bowe was nothing special at all.

 

Ok mate that's plausible.

Maybe i seen something that wasn't there but you've painted a clearer picture now.

It must be how you worded things. Like saying two of Lewis' best wins could make Wlads top five. You can see how that would sound right?

Holyfield...Fair enough. Personally i was always dissapointed with Lewis in these fights because i think he should've and could've KO'ed Holy. My only regret with him really as a fan.

Mason, Ruddock, Mercer, Golota, Rahman 2...any of these would be my favourites all for different reasons.

Cheers lufc

 

An old Shannon Briggs KO'ed Siarhei Liakhovich who beat Lamon Brewster who beat the ever living snot out Wladimir Klitschko.

So, if Briggs is "incredibly overrated" then Wlado is absolute shi'ite...

 

He's a muslim?

 

You need to leave them drugs alone.

Wlad's resume is thin where SHWs are concerned. Lewis' isn't.

Having success outfighting guys who are shorter, giving up lots of weight and have less reach does not make you a great outfighter. It just means that you've been protected - as is the case with Wlado.

Again I ask, exactly WHO has Wlado beaten?

Byrd? A guy who's much shorter, has much less reach and is gving up 30 pounds?

Hell, if we look at Wlado's best wins - there are no SHWs to be found.

Why is that?

When was the last time Wlado was in a fight were his typical height, reach and weight advantages didn't exist?

And I'm supposed to believe this fraud is "equally effective" as Lennox was on the outside? Based on what exactly? His resume of beating up on over-matched opponents and getting KO'ed by journeymen? I don't think so...

 

Yeah I stay away from the general usually so I don't get involved in the banter which is why I was surprised you'd take the post negatively.

Rahman two is the favourite of mine. The guy looked invincible just toying with a guy who'd sparked him.

Bruno is right up there because he's the only man i've ever been a real fan of.

 

Lol.

More Klit lickery non-sense.

Bowe took everything the Foul Pole could throw at him then proceded to take Golata to a dark place where the Foul Pole really didn't want to go.

Why do you think Golata got DQ'ed in BOTH fights? Simple, he didn't like the answer he was getting back from Bowe after Riddick happily took the beating Golata thought he was laying on him.

What you Klit lickers fail to mention is that there was nothing one sided about the beating Bowe received in the Golata fights.

Andrew fouled out ON PURPOSE in both fghts cause he didn't want none of what Bowe was handing him in return.

 

Wait a second, weren't you always telling us that size, height, weight and reach do not matter in boxing!? Didn't you always tell us that skill, speed and power are so important and physical parameters are to be ignored?

So let me get this straight.

When Wlad mops the floor with Byrd then it's just because Wlad is much taller. But when we're talking about mythical matchups of Wlad vs. Marciano, Frazier or Louis then of course they'd knock the living **** out of Wlad because they're super-humanly powerful and so much more skilled than Wlad -- and his physical advantages won't come into play at all

Talk about cherry-picking your arguments.

 

I know you're a fair and genuine poster i think our/my wires got crossed mate.

I was fan of Bruno too - he was all we had until Lennox came along.

Do you think you hold it against Lewis for beating Frank? Just kidding.

No but really?

 

Newer time:

1. Foreman
2. Ali
3. Frazier
4. Lennox
5. Vitaly
6. Tyson
7. Holmes
8. Ruddock/Wlad/Holyfield (fantastic against smaller guys... perhaps would never be beaten by a guy his own size, but was not really a HW - still would beat most of them though)

Something like that. The Foreman above Ali will be very controversial with some... and I do think Ali is a better boxer. I just think that foreman's extreme physical strenght would beat Ali 6 out of 10 times. Rope a dope would only work once... next time Foreman would pace himself and not get into any trouble. Even a prime Ali would have all kinds of trouble with Foreman. We also saw how completely harder Foreman was to Frazier than Ali was to Frazier. But I do think Ali was the better technical fighter of the two.

 

Yeah sounds like it pal.

No, bruno proved a lot that night. He had a level he couldn't surpass but fortunately he did mccall over and got his glory in the end :good

 

Doesn't relate to anything I said unfortunately.

Lewis was at his best outfighting tua or holyfield in the first. That's when he dominated with his range, reach and jab.

Against the bigger guys he blew them out of the water by taking the fight to them and smashing them with accurate power shots and never letting them recover.

You need to start watching boxing more.

If you wanna know who wlad beat, have a look on boxrec.

 

Lewis/Bruno worked out exactly how i wanted it to. With me wanting Lewis to win while hoping Frank gave a good performance. Perfect.

Love Bruno and i was made up for him when he achieved his dream.

 

Another example of styles make fights. Bowe would lose to Wladimir after his pre-fight bullying tactics went out the window. Any Bowe loses to Golota as well.

On a side note, Golota I think would give Wladimir more trouble than Ali himself, but Ali beats Golota, either by TKO or DQ.

A better question here would be Prime (1996) Golota vs Prime Wlad, or even this Wlad we have now. Imagine the jabbing war?? It would be a classic for the ages while it lasted (I agree with the Gazelle/Cheetah analogy and Golota getting frustrated and KTFO by Wladimir). Vitali on the other hand...I see Golota going to a UD or a SD victory.