Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

He hasn't fought a tough opponent since 2011 and didn't look unbeatable then....Even tho he practically shut out Haye he was rocked the most throughout the whole fight between the two in round 12. He was also deducted a point for holding to much....... How can he be at the top when his next opponent is Pineata.

 

Haye wouldn't beat Marciano.

Does too many things wrong, doesn't have the length, strength, or feet to keep Marciano off.

Most credit I'd give Haye in a fantasy fight with Marciano is that he has a decent shot to score a KD early on a booming 1-2 or counter uppercut, but Haye isn't beating Rocky.

And he's fighting Pianeta because who the hell else is there? An undefeated opponent with nearly 30 fights who is willing to promote for cheap and step up and step up without drama. That's the heavyweight division these days; I'm living it, right now. There are only 25 or so really class guys, it's hard to get them in the ring with eachother, and the fight anybody types like Adamek and David Price are currently winning bad decisions and losing their credibility or getting whupped by guys who aren't going to be challenging again(Though, in this era, Tony Thompson may get a third shot, if he wins another shocker or puts together a solid win streak off the Price kayo.)

This is a pretty poor era in heavyweight history, but it is getting better: We have a lot of very successful young fighters, like Pulev, and they are fighting eachother. Marciano's reign wasn't fantastic either, his most credible challenges coming in the form of older, fading fighters and former light heavyweights, but we give him credit because he's facing everybody who is available. Louis fought in a bit of a stronger era, but not by much, and he fought everybody who was available. The bum of the month club wasn't some cherry picking contest; Louis needed to fight, and he took on what he could, and whenever a credible challenge arose, he met that too. Wlad is doing the same thing. I don't think he's a top 10 heavyweight great, but anybody who insinuates dominating a division for damn near a decade isn't a great accomplishment has no perspective about how hard being a top level fighter is. He's doing everything anybody can ask of him besides fighting his own flesh and blood older brother(Wish he would, know he won't.).

Great fighters meet challenges and consistently overcome them. They dominate. They win. Not much more too it than that.

 

Your logic just like the logic of many Klitschko fans is fundamentally flawed in that again and again you people go into the stats area for Wladimir.

'He held the title for this long, 'he dominated for this long 'he is top dog for this long'...

The reason it's flawed is because Wlad never had to fight the one threat to him in Vitali. (And Vice Versa) If Vitali was name Val Kliingston and is a London Born 6'8 fighter instead of Wladimir's brother.. they would have fought at least 2 times by now.. Wladimir's chances of losing to Vitali is 50/50 hence breaking his streak.

You can't just credit Wlad for his dominance and brush aside the fact he never fought the clear #2 of his era by saying 'well they are brothers it's excusable' .. It is excusable, but the flaw it creates in Wladimir's statistical achievements is not .

Wlad's streak might not have been as long if Vitali was not his brother and they fought .Vitali might not have looked anywhere near as impressive if Wlad was not his brother and they fought.. It is what it is.

Not to mention all the intangibles a defeat could have brought upon Wladimir if Vitali was not his brother.

He was already knocked out 3 times ... going into 2006.. Imagine if he had fought Vitali in 2008 and got knocked out a 4th time.. That might have ended his career. Once again... it's just so flawed with the Klitschkos because they have the bad luck of being brothers, hence each taking away his greatest challenge.

It's not their fault, but you damn sure should factor that in when discussing their rankings.

 

I get what he's saying. Generally, once you get above about 210-215 pounds, the advantages of increased size become offset by disadvantages in speed, manoeuvrability, coordination and so on. Wlad is an exception, but most fighters his size are often lumbering brutes, which is why a smaller fighter has a good chance to win provided they're skilled enough. Against Wlad, now, the level of skill and natural physical abilities would have to absolutely insane to cope not only with his huge size advantage but also his own athletic gifts and boxing ability. I'm talking like Roy Jones, prime Tyson level. Anything less is simply too great an ask.

Maybe it'll change in the future, but true superheavyweights are still rare as hell. Certainly not numerous enough to warrant their own label. Big guys have always existed in boxing, but big guys with a level of skill to match their smaller brethren have only really emerged in the last few decades. In fact only Wlad and Lennox would really qualify here, and in both cases they went on to become dominant champions.

 

Another total load of ****. You've been spouting this on the General and have received a proper beatdown.

Congratulations for finding another forum for your inane ramblings.

 

Can you disprove it?...I made a thread Nov 2012 claiming Wlad would not be fighting Povektin next and was ridiculed for 12 pages....Take some advise, dont argure against facts.

 

I won't argue with the fact that you have some sort of complex revolving around Wladimir and posted a thread that was full of supposition and falsehood. No, that is a fact.

And goddamn it, learn to spell.

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That was 2008. Are you aware what year we are living in?



"The World Boxing Organization (WBA) has granted special permission for world heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko to hold, before a bout with WBA regular champion Alexander Povetkin, a fight with another contender if agreement with the Russian is reached by February 28, 2013."

 

2012

"The [WBA] gave us a period of two years, from the time of the David Haye fight, to make a mandatory defense. In other words, up to July 2013. Povetkin is not a true champion, he's the same [as everyone else], a normal contender. We will not allow anyone to force us to do anything," Boente said.

 

Dino where do you rate Lennox Lewis as an ATG?

 

I dont rate him, but i wont argue against him being a good fighter.

 

You think he's an ATG in the same league as Marciano?

(I think he ranks with him btw)

 

Of all the feeble contenders to pin your hopes on, why does he go for Povetkin? The man's thoroughly unimpressive in every aspect needed to trouble the Champ.

At least Haye had the speed and punching power.

 

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