Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Aug 18, 2009.


Who wins?

  1. Wlad PTS

    17 vote(s)
    15.9%
  2. Wlad KO

    64 vote(s)
    59.8%
  3. Rocky KO

    23 vote(s)
    21.5%
  4. Rocky PTS

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  5. Draw

    2 vote(s)
    1.9%
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Size difference is too big, I fear.
     
  2. TheOldTimer

    TheOldTimer Active Member Full Member

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    The size difference would be nullified by Marciano's relentless pressure attack.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Skill difference too large. Wlad by KO.

    By the way, there is a 130+ page thread on this match up.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Relentless pressure attacks don't nullify size differences, they exacerbate them.
     
  5. TheOldTimer

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    Not in this case, it depends on the fighters and styles in question, Marciano would have to use Wladamir size against him by going inside and staying close to neutralise his physical advantages of height reach and weight. Wladamir can not fight well on the inside your telling me he would beat Marciano at his own game because he has a weight advantage?
     
  6. McGrain

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    I don't think that it's possible for someone outweighed by 50-60lbs giving away a 7" height advantage to win inside. I don't think that's possible in the sport of boxing, as I understand it.

    Marciano is giving away around 30% of his own bodyweight. The difference can't really be overstated. It's not a fair fight. I wouldn't pick any pressure fighter to beat a guy giving away this much weight. It's like picking a featherweight to beat a middleweight, literally.

    If Marciano got in? I would expect Wlad to lean on him, hold him, handle him. He's dealing with a weight he wouldn't even use to warm up for bench press. It would be like watching a man handle a child, in my opinion.

    Trapsmiths, maybe, box-movers, certainly, but swarmers overcoming this type of size advantage? It just doesn't happen enough to be a meaningful pick IMO. And I'd be astonished if much money went down on Rocky if this fight was actually happening.
     
  7. dinovelvet

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    Featherweights can't generate the power to hurt a MW. Too small.

    A 190 pounds behind a punch is enough force to ko any man. More than enough to take out glass chinned - glass bodied - Wlad.
     
  8. TheOldTimer

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    I don't look at it like that. With modern training techniques and nutrition you could be looking at a much bigger Marciano.
     
  9. TheOldTimer

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    And yes it only takes one punch in the heavyweights I just see Marciano as being too rough for WLadamir.
     
  10. McGrain

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    I agree with this. You just never ever know. But I would say the chances weigh heavily against it.

    Here, I disagree. "Could be", but we're not. Inflating the weight of fighters to suit based on nutrition is where I check out. Additionally, have you quantified Marciano's reduction in speed and and engine based upon this additional weight? No, of course not.

    Marciano is ATG. He was a great, great fighter, one of the sixty greatest there has ever, ever been almost without question. Wladimir is none of these things.

    But he's one, probably two virtual weight classes bigger. It's a physical mis-match. It's not fair.

    But I'm not trying to win any wars, and if someone wants to shut their eyes and see small cruiserweight championship class Marciano KO superheavyweight championship class Klitschko, that's fine.

    But it is neither a thing I see when I close my eyes and something I have only seen personally once.
     
  11. Seamus

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    Having read fairly extensively on both fighters' upbringing, I am willing to wager that Marciano had the better nutrituon growing up.

    Exactly what would make Marciano so much taller and longer? I mean, besides him not having Marciano genes?
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    What if Wlad has to fight within in the rules and isn't allowed to use his illegal octopus tactic.

    What then. What then:think
     
  13. mcvey

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    You could equally say ,what if Marciano was not allowed to hit low,and after the bell ? I won't mention butting or hitting whilst your opponent is on the floor, because I don't think they will apply.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    But none of that prevents the other guy from fighting back.
    What Wlad does shuts down the opponent from even moving and thats way out of order.
     
  15. mcvey

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    I agree, Marciano could have been dsq'd if he had fought ****ell in the UK .
    Wlad would certainly have been warned and had points deducted for laying all over that Russian . If they fought on neutral territory we might see correct officiating?:think