Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

Then why is he locked into a clinch willingly every 5 seconds if he is so light on his feet?
Why does he get deducted points in all his biggest fights? (Haye , Povetkin , jennings)
How come he is excessively warned for holding and then ends up losing cos he hasn't the foot work to get out of range against Brewster.

Wlad hasn't fought anybody with half decent foot work. The best was Povetkin and Wlad was absolutely hopeless at controlling the distance against him.

Without holding he has a very basic 1 step forward , 2 step back. And it works because his legs are longer than the competition.

Bowe utilized footwork to do everything. Offence and defence. His feet were so good he was always in position to get leverage on shots even while going backwards. He positioned his feet so he was never off balance and was kocked to throw another combination.

Wlad has to set and reset. Every time. He can't stick n move. Can't punch and move. Thats all components of having great feet.

Bowes legs were in a different class.

 

Obviously there must be qualifiers (e.g., Marciano has grown taller, heavier, while maintaining his stamina/speed, Klitschko has cancer, something ...)

Sloooow speed plus 190 lbs means you get destroyed by 6'6" 240 lbs of Wladimir Klitschko or Lennox Lewis or Rid**** Bowe or Vitali Klitschko, or any better talent with that kind of size advantage ...

The list of guys with size and worse talent that would win decisively is long as well.

190 lbs is the issue. Lack of speed to deliver that 190 lbs is the other.

You need Tyson - who while small - brings well more than 190 and is a comparative quicksilver compared to Marciano to generate the power necessary to tap Klitschko's chin. Every pound is important to negate the size/power differential. Marciano at 190 lbs has ZERO chance .. could almost give him a free shot and it wouldn't matter at all. Klitschko is incredibly flawed, pulls back, doesn't like to be hit in the face, panics, and has little familiarity with taking punches from a better athletic talent with comparable size or adequate size but his silver bullet is not coming from a little 190 lber. Marciano gets steam rolled and planted in the third row or stares at the lights with Klitschko standing over him posterized ala Ali. The physics don't have a chance of working out - unless Klitschko is 60, leukemia ridden, while Rock is prime.

"David" would need a miracle punch that crushes his wind-pipe and that can't be the basis for an opinion.


Nostalgic and another extension of "like-kind" heroism ... quaint, par for the Classic, but anachronistic and absurd as usual.

 

Dino has this one nailed.

 

Bowe liked to follow guys around trying initiate exchanges. There was little artistry in it. In the end, he relied on being the bigger guy with the bigger shot, better ****nal and greater will. He took A LOT of shots walking down his guys while he tried to get position. Not sure I would hold him up as a poster boy for great footwork.

 

Funny,Louis called him a street brawler who was easy to tag with the jab?:huh Walcott said he wasn't hard to hit, just hard to catch with anything really big. :think

 

Yeah, White is as near to Wlad in ability as one can get.

I'm not a Wlad fan , but neither am I a blinkered hater as you are Dino.

 

Bowe wouldn't have needed a single clinch to give Povetkin a one sided leathering. A guy who comes forward like Povektin would have walked into nothing but jabs , right hand and combinations. There's a lot of factors to movement.
Distributing weight to throw body shots and shots at different angles. Stepping out of range. Pivoting off to the side.
Not many guys could throw power shots going backwards like Bowe. Ray Robinson comes to mind.

 

Do you know, I really dislike that term from a" civilian".

Purity took a serious amount of punishment from Wlad , and showed great heart and fortitude to keep going when many more talented men would have quit. Calling him the bum of all bums says more about you than him,and sums you up pretty well I think.

 

Purity was a very poor fighter. Poor fighters are called bums in boxing circles. Wlad lost to a bum.

 

Suggest watching Marciano fight those fighters instead of repeating what others have said. I thought the way you did a long time ago until I sat down and watched Marciano in detail. Marciano was cute in there. Many subtle moves...parries, blocking, moving out and in to avoid punches and then countering, bobbing and weaving, ducking. Fighting in that style you are going to get hit but Rocky made the best of that time and some real sharpshooters miss consistently.

 

Fighter are called bums by civilians like yourself.

 

I was watching Marciano's major fights in the early sixties on Super 8mm. I don't repeat what anyone tells me, I make up my own mind after watching boxing for more than half a century. Marciano had two left feet, and often fell over when he missed punches.He had very poor balance, and his accuracy was laughable. That is the opinion of not only a nobody like myself but also of Manny Steward who was a somebody in the game.

 

I did the same via castle films. Came to the same conclusions but I was wrong. You are wrong.

 

Yet a mediocre, fairly chinny heavyweight who did nothing exceptional and a few things very poorly named Golota fairly well owned him.

 

this is very true but Rocky was never pretty doing it and guys like Walcott,Moore, and Charles all thought they could hit him easily until they shared a ring with him. Louis said his power was incredible and even his taps hurt.

There was a you tube video called Marciano's subtle defense that Chris Pontius did and it showed many subtle defensive moves in slow mo.....Marciano was much more than a crude slugger. Charlie Goldman did a sensational job with him