Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

Master boxers Moore , Charles and Walcott couldn't keep Marciano off them.

Ask modern great technicians Toney and B-hop who they take inspiration from. They won't tell you Jess Willard or Louie Firpo.

 

You are trolling with this ridiculous statement, right?

Then again perhaps your not. After all you are the one who claimed Frazier could use his famed " head movement " to avoid Klitchko's shots in the same way David Haye did. Miserably failing to notice Haye did everything in his power to keep as much distance between himself and Vlad, whereas Frazier would be right in front of the big Ukraine.

 

Dempsey ran at ya with his hands down. He operated at a lower level so he got away with it.

What master boxer did Dempsey ever beat? Rock beat every elusive , slick boxer mover he ever faced. He cut them off without fail. Walcott was a superb backfoot fighter who set cunning traps.

So whats out there to indicate Dempsey had better defence and mobility when he's never beaten anybody as tactically sound as the guys who were hammered by the rock?

 

Sharkey was handing him his A-hole before Jack won with a foul punch. I believe it would have been like Ortiz out boxing Mayweather , then Maywether winning the way he did.

I never seen those other guys fight. Were they as good as Moore, Walcott and Charles? Or even LaStarza. Im reading Gibbons gave Jack a close fight over 15 rounds.

Yeah , Dempsey was a lot quicker. Does that mean he has better movement than Joe Louis as well? Quicker isn't better.
Surgeons like Walcott would use that against him.

Dempseys era was too raw and crude imo. The boxing artistry had developed more finely in Rocks time. Boxing writers had not seen what it would become when they were printing how Jack was the greatest who ever lived.

 

You could argue Vinny Paz had better footwork than Pea if its about speed.

I wouldn't say Tunny was crude , but then he shut Dempsey completely out. Would Gibbons and Tunney been able to survive a chest full of Rock for 15 rounds?

Imo he had the better footwork since its tried and tested against great slicksters.
I hear Rock had bad balance too but i don't agree with that either.

Great fighters can put you off balance. Make you miss. Being off balance isn't always incumbent on the fighter himself. Many more guys who came after Rock had worse balance. Its a criticism that has stuck with him.
One of the Rocks best abilities was creating leverage he put on shots. You can't create leverage without good balance.
You can't distribute weight to deliver duel handed power shots without good balance.
You don't throw a savage right hand like the suzie Q without good feet and good balance.

 

"Dempsey was a fine meld of great puncher and great boxer". Tunney

The punches just prior to Dempseys Ko blow of Sharkey were NOT low. Period and end of story.

 

Yes, Marciano was a veritable ballerina.

Funny how these Marciano reach around fests go for hundreds of pages but any match-up at lightweight or middle or welter gets 3 replies. A real depth of knowledge being demonstrated in these parts.


Now, let's get back to talking about Churchill's war crimes.

 

I knew i shouldn't have done it , but i went and did it anyway.

It gets said that he had terrible balance and two left feet. I read it on here over the last few days again.
I think thats over exaggerated. Lewis had worse balance than Marciano but its not a flaw commonly associated to Lewis like it is Rock.
For a guy who threw the kitchen sick every round , id say he had pretty good balance.

He wanted to be a baseball player initially and was one of the top players in Brockton as a youth.. Having solid balance is a major component of batting a home run swing.

 

The only area you can compare Dempsey and Marciano is as a puncher. In just about every other department Dempsey was superior. Both ATG hwt champions both with ATG attributes but Dempsey fought at a higher level technically.