Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

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Wlad is a power puncher and an athletic guy, but had the heart of a chicken and a glass jaw, I think it's harder to imagine him knocking out Marciano than Rocky breaking him with like the very first serious attack. Wlad outpointing Rocky, for sure, it's just that this will require him too much of everything he has, but going 12 rounds with Rocky is barely doable. Shacking Wlad is easy with one punch even.

 

No one shacked Wlad for a decade as he ruled the division and barely lost a round, a time period that was longer than Marciano's entire career. I'd be more concerned about the wee ancients who dropped and stunned Rocky. If these wheelchair bound folks could do it, then a tall, long, active superhuman would have to work hard to not KO the lil' fella.

 

This is going to be a stupid arguing, but the period you mention is when Wlad abused the clinching without being sanctioned and was highly on PEDs. Yet, dropped or not, Rocky is undefeated, while we can't tell the same for Wlad, right? And the fact Wlad has a weak chin stays, he's easy to be shaken.

 

You make it sound like being "Willing to take a few shots" And fight back against prime Wladimir Klitschko is just that easy to do, no man that barely fought under 190 is doing that to either Klitschko brother.

Super featherweights should be able to handle light heavyweights/Cruiserweights based on your logic.

 

Imagine a boxer having 69 professional fights and dozens of amateur fights, going 10 years barely touched while being World Heavyweight Champion just for someone online to say he has "The heart of a chicken"

 

Imagine being so narrow-minded to praise every athlete and being obliged to... Like not having the right not to like him.

 

Lol Chris Byrd the former LHW beat Vitali. May want to rethink that statement. Also went the distance w Wlad. Haye who was a former cruiser went the distance. Seems the people who did the best against him were smaller men. No wonder they avoided Tua.

 

Nothing to do with liking him, calling him a coward is total BS though, none of us could have done half of what he did in boxing otherwise we would have.

 

Vitali was winning and then got injured and pulled out, we all know this by now but, also Byrd only fought his first two fights at light heavyweight, he was heavier than all the men Marciano defended his belt against. Haye was a former Cruiserweight that was 6'2 and had a 78 reach (11 more inch reach than Marciano) both Byrd and Haye were very good at avoiding shots but neither could trouble Wladimir at all.

 

Vintage

 

Well, he is a coward and telling me it's BS is BS itself.

What he did in boxing is abusing the rules unsanctioned (why?) and cheat - remember what Pulev and Fury revealed.

 

What is the evidence that Wlad was on PEDs, then, ever, let alone "highly"?
Anybody might be, but if someone said Rocky must have taken specific sterois to increase strength but not bulk &/or something like EPO to increase his endurance because his performances were so remarkable, would you find that fair & rational?

 

What kind of PEDs in Marciano's era? Funny how you ignore Wlad's cheating - it is proven and turn against Marciano in his defense. Well, an evidence is that Wlad was giving drug tests only after fights under the excuse he competes under the German boxing rules and was always denying doing it before a fight - what's so wrong doing it if so clean? Not to mention his physique when young and older, but yeah, the cheap nutrition excuse here...

 

Dude, be rational here.

1) I never heard evidence that Wlad cheated. WHY would you assume I ignored anything?
2) I did not "turn against" Marciano.
Can you not see that I was showing how I felt the case I invented against him was very implausible, & it was an example of how it is unfair to assume guilt absent evidence?
2a) There were many steroids in Marciano's era, although no reason to believe he used them, or they were at all common in boxing.
3) What you say is "proven" is an argument about how he may have cheated. That is nowhere near proof.
4) I am unfamiliar with your argument-but if he followed the rules that does not tell ke he cheated.
5) I am unaware if testing immediately after a test is at all likely to mean that he could have taken & cleared drugs from his system in such a short time.
Tell me what drugs likely operate like this.
Failing that, send me hyperlinks to educated reasons or even speculation that he was cheating & lying.

6) Numerous boxers got bigger or much bigger as they matured.
Many before steroids were common, some before they were invented!

Anybody could be doing anything; you or I could theoretically be axe murderers.
Or chainsaw, or serial poisoners, or serial killers...
But with steroids, what you seem to imply (or HGH), there should be a suspiciously rapid gain in muscle mass, especially when someone is already well developed.
OR suspect physical symptoms.
OR unusual pattern of muscle distribution, including disproportionate mass (assuming a sport does not select for it), where there are more androgen receptors-the traps, outer shoulder & thighs...
Or unusual sudden muscular development absent much training, such as when receiving hormones to transition to from female to male...

In the teens & early 20's, boys naturally tend to fill out, more so if they are athletes.
There are more dramatic examples, but take Ali.
He did not look bulky & there seems no likelihood that he used PEDs (except the DE-enhancements towards the end with the crippling diet/Thydor drug...
Yet he went from a LHW in the 1960 Olympics to ~ 35 lbs. heavier-without much more bodyfat at all-by the mid-late 1960's. That does not even consider how he gained weight later, & his weight seemed "redistributed" to his upper body by FOTC.

If this is not suspicious, you should be able to tolerate at least as much weight gain from Wlad,

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, because he both is taller so the absolute numbers will be larger, & unlike Ali used weight training.
Oh & I did not mention anything about nutrition, but it is a fact that it advanced a great deal.
While Marciano trained in a way to cut weight & even shed some muscle mass, including eating infrequently in training, few meals, chewing meat but not swallowing (not getting enough protein)...
A diet that may help maximize endurance, but unnecessarily restrictive, & limits muscle mass.

If you reply please be address my points systematically.
And if you can see that I was not attacking Marciano, nor showing bias towards Wlad-admit it.
While checking yourself for bias.