Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

"Hello everyone. I'm a friend of AJ's from another forum. I used to box professionally from time to time, but nowadays I still spar. I've sparred with many legends. AJ asked to me describe what it is like to be in the ring with them and gauge their punching power. I will not reveal my name for personal reasons, but under anoymousity I feel a bit safer. If you want to know my identity send me an email, but I doubt you've heard of me anyway. I only had three professional fights.

I fought Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe as an amateur.

Riddicks power wasnt memorable to me. It probably got better as he got older, cause he never even remotely buzzed me in either of our contests.

Lennox hit like a ****ing tank. He cowed me; I won the first round, and he literally broke my spirit and took my soul with a right uppercut and straight right hand in the 2nd. I tried to stay away, and forgot to punch. He never got me quite as good again, but I will never forget those two punches. When we sparred years later, he hit very hard. Distinctly unpleasant to be hit by the man.

David Tua was unpleasant. I can't see myself getting stopped by him early, as he never really staggers me, but every shot hurt, and he'd bang. Every other guy I ever sparred would box when I got aggressive, but David would stand his ground and give. I'd get these horrible headaches after sparring with him, and Dave told me once that whenever he knew I was on the dance card, he'd drink extra water for his brain. Nice guy. Hit like a wrecking ball. David Tua hit hard enough to knock my headgear clean around my face. Dude had a pretty limited style, but that left was quick as a cobra when he was sharp, and boy did it have bite. Having sparred them both, Wladimir would school Tua and probably turn out his lights. He just lacks almost any sort of refinement to his violence. Granted, I don't really either unless I'm really, really on that day, but the best heavyweights I've sparred handled me a lot easier than David did.
Feels kinda bad critiquing the dude, though. He's a fun guy, super hospitable and friendly, hit like a truck and put me through plenty of painful paces. I only hope our careers and lives don't end up with me required to face him with 12's and no mask. I can't afford the surgery.

Evander Holyfield was a machine gun. He put me on my butt first round we ever sparred with a 7 or 8 punch volley. He just punched well; He'd move around and when he let them go, they hit, hard and fast and in large numbers. He was the weakest of the group since Bowe, but probably the most dangerous. He never found me difficult to find, and turned me into a bobble head more than once.

George Foreman was tricky. His jab was absolutely numbing-Ive never felt a jab like that, where your whole face would feel like it got novacained after he hit you with it. He'd also throw light punches primarily, almost pitty pat, till he had the opening, and then he'd wallop you. His punches had the most force; They didn't hurt any worse than Tua or Lewis, but I remember how badly they'd screw with my balance. His shots moved me. He also broke my nose with a straight right.

Wladimir Klitschko hit me by far the hardest, though. I couldn't get past the jab, and his right hands hit like thunder. They reminded me of Lewis', but they were quicker and sharper. Wladimir staggered me regularly in sparring. There are literally whole rounds I don't remember. He also knocked me out with a left hook. Not down, out. Only time in my life I've seen canvas and not been able to stand up by 10 seconds."

"I think I have a good chin. I've only been knocked out once and that was by Wlad. I've been staggered and hurt plenty of times. I've been dropped a few times too but only KO'd once."

"David Tua's punching power is not overrated. I can attest to that. He and George Foreman have a similar feel but Big George is a much better fighter."

 

He was knocked out by Ross Purity. He would also be knocked out by Rocky Marciano.

 

Extremely interesting. :goodIt would be great to know who the source is. I'm surprised that whomever this is, didn't rate Bowe's power at all.

 

He says Old Foreman hit as hard as any..Gee imagine what the younger Foreman power must have felt like.

On Marciano/Klitschko,I don't see how anyone can argue how Rocky loses when he was undefeated. It also took a old school trainer philosopher to make Wladimir into a champion, And people still want to argue how great todays HWs are?? lol

 

Solid reasoning there.

Why you hating?

 

Correct, and the logic of that,undefeated record, means my analogy is indeed right.

If he had weakness it did not matter but he came over them to win when Wladimir has looked vulernable more then once which has resulted in defeat.

 

deal



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The differences between Klitschko and Marciano have already been made in this thread. Everyone can see them.

Fact is that Marciano can't compete with Klitschko.

 

Fact? Really. Have they fought??

 

"Greatness" is absolutely irrelevant. It's all about skills and physical characteristics.

Why do you think that Marciano hit harder than Brewster, Purrity, and Sanders? If nothing else, all of them were huge compared to Marciano, and most of their wins came by stoppage. These guys stopped much bigger men than Marciano did. Marciano beat up a bunch of cruiserweight runts while wearing 6 ounce gloves. Marciano never knocked out a decent large heavyweight. In fact, Marciano's power isn't even proven at real heavyweight.

How is Marciano going to disrupt Vlad's rhythm? By plodding into jabs? Those jabs will **** him up. Marciano doesn't have the explosive quickness get past the jab and make something happen. Also, the jab is bad enough, but Vlad's power shots would absolutely wreck Marciano.

 

So wrong. Marciano was deceptively hard to hit. Walcott and Charles had great jabs but you don't see either dominating in any way with it. The idea that Wlad pumps jabs at Rocky to a point where he can't get in close is highly imaginative. Marciano gets real small and low in there and Wlad will be hard pressed to land consistently. Concurrent Marciano will get in close and pound away before Wlad clinches. Wlad is wide open for right hands and rocky had one of the best all time. As mentioned Wlads chin is china and he has no courage. I just watched all three of his brutal ko defeats by nobodies. He is not beating Marciano or any truly great past champion. Timber and watch for that I want my mommy look.

 

Wake me up when the next bobble headed 5 foot 11 Ital with T-rex arms weighing in at 180 takes even a regional heavyweight title.

Or I suppose all that elite talent is in the NFL or NBA.

 

Nah, bowling.

 

Rocky would never find himself in a position where he could damage wlad.

Its like khaosai v hearns the critique of being chinny doesn't really apply because of the size difference.

 

At this point, not only does Wlad destroy Marciano head to head but he is the greater heavyweight, having dominated the division (and a more true heavyweight division) for longer than Marciano had a career.