Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

Then, why the bother with weight divisions?

Seriously, guys with the frames of Marciano and Charles and Walcott would weigh 240 pounds? That is beyond ridiculous.

 

Certainly not Marciano or Charles but Walcott certainly could, although not necassarily would, ask people who have met him in real life how big the dude was. Walcott was around 195lbs in the 1950's while juggling a 9-5, boxing and his family he even admitted there was about a 10 year period where he was basically always hungry/starving. Give him a modern upbringing with modern food and dieting, some weights, the fat percentage of most top heavyweights nowadays, some PEDS and see how his weight would go up.

 

Weight divisions are for the lower classes where 5-10 pounds can make a big difference. Hwt division has always been termed "unlimited".

To say that Walcott, Louis, Dempsey, Marciano could not KD or KO Wlad or any big man with a single blow is just plain stupidity. Certainly they could and it would not need to be a freak blow that some posters are implying.

Brewster was a bum and he Koed Wlad. History of boxing is full of small hwts knocking out huge fighters. Louis Koed every big man he ever faced. Where did size ever help anyone who fought Ali? Look at the hwts 170 pound Mickey Walker Koed and Koed early. Look at the hwts Moore Koed.

With punching power its timing, speed and the ability to put your bodyweight behind the blow that really matters. With these skills you can KO any man at any time.

 

A bum known for his exceptional chin.
Technically he only TKOd Wlad, which means a little bit less than a KO.

Big hws only lose when the naturally lighter fighters are much more skilled.
Joe Louis outweighted 70% of his opponents! He was the big man in the division himself.
So did Lennox Lewis.
Mike Tyson outweighted the majority when he was in his prime, Frazier did, Ali did, Liston did, Foreman did, Wlad does, Vitali does, Bowe did.

And before saying a guy like Tyson always had to fight taller men, lenght doesn't mean ****.
Oscar de la Hoya is rangier, taller, faster, more skilled than David Tua, he still wouldn't survive 1 round.

Also why would someone who can make the cruiser limit and isn't lazy ever go to hw division besides money and fame?

 

Dateline May 22nd, 1953

After years of arduous training, Rocky Marciano succeeds in raising his arms aloft and over his own head, his fists reaching a dizzying height of 6 foot and 3 inches, heretofore never attained.

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What's a young James Cromwell doing in the bottom right?

 

I calculated with this picture

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I thought he could reach 213 cm.

But 190cm is really "terrible"

 

When did Byrd "take out" David Tua? He outboxed him. Never took out Vitali either, not in the tradition sense of knocking him out. I really don't get the point here. Are you trying to say that a fighter who beats another fighter in boxing only does so because they punched them harder, and not because they were more skilled, smarter, had a better gameplan etc?

Rocky today would still fight in the cruiserweight division, though he'd probably be at the 200lb limit. Think someone like Giacobbe Fragomeni or Denis Lebedev. If he ever moved up to heavyweight he'd be morbidly obese.

Walcott might have made the grade a little better, but no way does he reach the 240s without turning himself into a human punchingbag. Most modern heavyweights are only in the 240s because they're lazy. Unless you're over six four/six five, you're not going to be able to hold that weight well and still be able to fight at your best.

 

Because they have unreasonable expectations for what Rocky could do, and can't understand that a big man of Wlad's size could be anything other than a flat-footed oaf in the manner of Carnera and co.

 

Depends on your built

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What also seemed to happen after the 50s/60s is that hipsize began to increase too which in turn led to somewhat bigger bodies.

 

I'm aware that there are different bodytypes, but even so there is no way a man who's say six foot one should weigh in the 240s, I don't care how stocky or wide he is. Look at Ray Mercer. Very similar build to Sam Peter but was fighting like a beast at 215.

Was Dereck Chisora really a natural 37lbs heavier than Haye or did he just not train as hard? While I agree that heavyweights on the whole have naturally become larger men, there has also been a corresponding decline in hard training resulting in overweight blobs like Arreola and Solis blubbering up the scene.

 

The way both fighters are described it makes me think they have something like prime Tyson vs Helenius in their mind.

 

Sorry meant to write PURRITY not BREWSTER.

Look how "cartoonish" the weigh in between Simon and Joe Louis looks. Looks like a little boy vs a man. Louis knocked him out twice as he did with all the huge fighters he faced.

Cant get around that Wlad was Koed so decisively and so comically three times by fighters so very much inferior to Rocky Marciano. I throw size out the window...the greater fighter will win and the greater fighter is NOT Wlad.