Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

I think people overly **** on the current era. In terms of skill in the ring I can't see Chagaev and Iggy being a country mile behind top 5 fighters in previous eras.

Guys like Tony Thompson, twice worked his way into mando shots against a great champ and then went straight in with a red hot prospect, if that ain't heart i dunno what is!

 

Well, Not the entire divison but majority.The reason these big guys are so boring is because people are use to HW coming forward and landing shots(LL vs VK last great HW fight,and they went at it) instead of throwing a jab and right hand while the other fighter just stands there and takes it.

 

Whoa, who said Chagaev is gutless?

That guy had some serious setbacks before getting in the ring with Wlad. Achilles tendon torn. Hepatitis. Getting screwed out of of his belt as a result. Too bad.

The Soft Parade is a **** album, by the way

 

Surely you can name more then two fights. TBH I haven't followed the HW division for years last fight I saw was Wach/Klit and before that Haye/Klit. Both **** poor,almost feel asleep during Wach.

 

Yea anyway,

Marciano KO Wladimir Round11

 

I really like Dimitrenko-Chambers.

Wlad-Mormeck is a nice destruction. I thought Wlad-Wach was too, Wlad threw a lot of punches and connected with some heat. Wach stayed in there, I thought it was a fun fight.

Vitali-Charr was turning into a nice little brawl, if a bit one-sided.

Pulev was just in a fun fight that he won late.

I thought Adamek-Chambers was entertaining, some very craft boxing from Chambers and effort from Adamek.

Haye-Chisora was a war. Lots of very hard leather thrown.

Leapai-Johnson was fun. Clever boxing from Kingpin, Leapai hung in there and threw haymakers.

The Tu-Barrett fights were all class.

Maybe not many, but there is still definitely some watchable action going down at heavyweight.

 

Leapai/Walker was very good as well.

In fact, Travis Walker is rarely in a bad fight.

 

Brewster Liakhovich was a Classic.

Waldo earned $35 million a couple years ago, and regularly cleans up on just a couple annual fights, all this with minimal US media presence. The financial incentive is definitely there. If it were that easy to take the goose that lays the golden egg, someone would pulling the trick.

 

Right hand over the jab, man. It's not an easy punch to time, to see Eddie find a way to DRAW jabs from Adamek in order to throw it was impressive.

Thought that was a bit of a bad decision, myself. Had Eddie winning 115-113, and I've rewatched it twice. Have a hard time seeing Adamek picking up 7 rounds.

 

It is! Listen, I'm just trying to impart some of the knowledge I've accrued. Trust me. The Soft Parade is ****. One day you'll understand, but for now, enjoy **** songs like "Tell All The People" and "Runnin' Blue."

 

Chambers is quality. He has fought a lot of top names and few guys in the rankings can say the same.

Word on the street is chisora is fighting price if he gets through his come back fight. Now that will not only deliver in full but pave the way for a fury rematch I reckon (if chisora does it). Winner to fave helenius or pulev and then a title shot is well earnt.

some great fights to be made.

Sure the division doesn't have a superstar personality with charisma in it (closest we've seen lately is Briggs and Toney) but it certainly has skilled operators with pedigree amatuer backgrounds and decent style clashes. All we're missing is a willingness to take each other on but with the alphabet soup out there, no fighter can be blamed for going the mandatory route.

 

Wlad doesn't have an ounce of the conditioning Rocky had. Thats just simply not true.
Wlad is still harbouring the stamina problems he showed against Peters , just because they were not visible against Mormek , Thompson etc who all stayed on the outside and fought at his pace does not mean they are not there. He was clearly huffing and puffing against Wach who was nothing more than a punchbag with arms.
He hadn't the energy to string a combination of punches together or sustain an attack to force the ref to end the fight.
When he fights Povektin i fully expect him to have problems and show his weaknesses.
Bigger muscles consume more oxygen than normal and its just not physically possible for Wlad to match Rocky on stamina.
Rex Layne head locked , held and hugged him to death and he just came back stronger every round with an increased workrate.
He could carry his brute powerful piston like attack from 1-15 rounds without tiring.

 

I think Rocky does have a clear advantage in real life stamina in that wlad couldn't maintain that work rate over 15 rounds. That being said Rocky had much less bulk to carry.

The issue isn't stamina, I don't think it goes that far. No cruiserweight with short arms is gonna get beyond that jab and survive the right hand that follows.

Take wlad from the Chagaev fight were the jab was basically a power shot and no way does Rocky take him into deep waters. If he could somehow take wlads power then yeah a late stoppage is on the cards, but I just cannot see that being the case.

even the sturdiest of chins (James Toney maybe?) of the sub 6 footers could not handle that power on a consistent basis.

 

I agree, and I point to the Peter fight as a clue.

Tough as nails, durable as all get out James toney was rocked some 8 times in 24 rounds, needing the ropes to hold him, and noticeably staggering on several occassions.

Wlad is a better boxer, and he isn't the clubber Peter is.

Eventually, size and punch impact/sharpness get to a level that toughness and will to win just can't overcome. I can't picture Rock absorbed several of those right hand bombs and smiling, walking through them. It's the same reason I can't picture him beating Lewis, Tyson or Foreman. I have him as MUCH more competitive against great heavyweights like Ali and Holmes, simply because he can probably absorb enough of what they are dishing to drag them where he likes to fight from time to time.

Against the huge men and huge punchers, I just can't see his style of fighting being a good idea. Even Duran got straight blasted by Hearns, and few have a better reputation for being hard to stop pound for pound.

 

Wlad doesn't have one punch knockout power. Most of the time it comes from accumulated punching.
Once Rock lands a body shot his strenght will be decreased.
He WILL be in a brawl and the tougher man with a better chin and harder punch in bunches will win.