Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

I'm a big Marciano fan as most know. I'd favor Wlad easily. I think it's too much of a physical obstacle to overcome. Of course, a neutral referee is more important than Marciano's power as far as I'm concerned. Maybe then Rocky could have a chance at winning one or two times out of ten, if that at all.

I'd favor Wlad over Dempsey, too. I'm not ready to relinquish that position with Frazier, though. Let me pick the referee and Frazier wins more times than not. Nothing rose-colored about that. Wlad actually have a better chance against Ali than Frazier. Styles might suggest so.

The Eddie Chambers bit doesn't mean all that much to me either, sorry. Not that I disrespect a professional fighter like Eddie's position, but I don't know enough. I mean, almost every fighters picks the fighter of their generation to win fantasy fights. Hell, it's not a fighter thing but a generational thing. So it can almost be the opposite effect of nostalgia. I'd have to hear more about his position on other fighters against his generation to get a better perspective.

 

My main issue is guys like Dempsey and Louis actually have victories over championship calibre super heavyweights so they have more in the argument.

I think Frazier has the perfect style to beat Wlad with his bob and weave and a leaping left hook.

Rocky, I'll happily agree that if he can last longer than 5, and I'm not talking shell or back foot fighting, but making wlad work and making him pay for it, then yeah rockys chances increase with every round, but no way can a man so small take punches off a man so big.

 

Yeah, I'd ever so slightly favor Dempsey's chances over Marciano's but that chance is increasingly more marginal by the day because styles is an often overused crux for when quality is clearly lacking. Same goes for the bigger men in regards to Dempsey. I'd see no other scenario than Marciano demolishing Firpo, who would just be a bigger target for Marciano to abuse. It just may take a little longer. I'm not going to argue with Louis when he beat many very good big men and had plenty of quality. Louis was simply a much better fighter than Dempsey in my view.

Yep. Tyson has the best attributes and a serving style. I'm 100% convinced Tyson wins ten times out of ten at his absolute peak. Frazier has the most ideal style. The biggest concerns would be his durability and the referee. Those concerns won't even matter with Tyson, however.

It's a huge IF but a sensible one if it's somehow physically possible. If anyone could prove such physical disparities aren't everything, it's surely a legend like Marciano. Still almost the work of Hollywood movie-making, almost.

 

Truth. Good call on Frazier, too. A little bit more sound, steady pressure, took a few less risks, bigger guy.

I'd probably pick Frazier too. I'd pick Ali, simply because of his speed, movement, and penchant for dragging out the worst in fighters. If Wlad has a panic button(We know he does), Muhammad Ali is gonna push it.

I think Wlad and Dempsey would end early, one way or another. Both could be hurt, and put down. Again, give me the bigger, straighter puncher in that one.

Tyson wrecks Wlad. I think Holyfield would be soundly outboxed as he had a habit of getting caught at the end of long punches, and that hurts me to say, he's one of my favorite fighters. Bowe and Lewis win because they'd fight inside, and have the strength and size to not get dominated physically and to get leverage, as well as avoid being leaned on or redirected with the left(Wlad's best trick that nobody talks about).

Yeah, I'd probably take Liston and Holmes, too. I don't think Wlad would adjust well to being outjabbed. I think he'd start overcommitting to his power shots, which would allow them to establish range to land their own stuff. I think Liston would be the easier assignment, though.

I go back and for on Louis. I think Wlad has a ton of advantages, including styles, but Louis is such a compact, efficient puncher who can turn it over and on with so little, that I think one little opening, one lazy clinch, would be all he needed to put it away. Could he avoid getting pinned out on the jab and bombed out, though? His head movement wasn't great, and his left hand was lazy, which is the only bad habit I can think of the actively draws Wlad's right hand(The second Brock started shifting guard to search for bigger punches, he started getting blasted). Gun to my head, Louis, but I think it's an interesting fight.

Think Old George beats Wlad, too, in a pure stylistic and mental thing. So much pressure, so much heat, so much strength, such painful punches. George on the attack is a fearsome thing, it's very hard to resist. He's like the immovable object, you've got to box around him. Wlad has shown in the Thompson and Wach fights that he can move a bit, but I don't think his foot speed and mental toughness is where it would need to be for that sort of challenge.

 

Tyson would bomb Wlad out of the ring within 2 minutes of the first round.

Wlad would be scared sh!tless and would never be able to handle the kind of aggression and immense pressure Tyson would erupt forward with ... nor can his chin handle the KO power Tyson had

Frazier would probably lose as would Joe Louis

 

Doubt Frazier but probably Louis. In fact Wlad would probably have Louis on ***** street with a few stiff jabs.

 

Is that meant to be a joke? You'll get cought cold by jabs if you walk in straight lines....When was Louis known to attack like a train on tracks?....Louis would circle away from his power hands and position himself from angles to the point where Wlad wont know where he is......Records are paramount and Wlads skills and power are untested at Elite level....Bombing out unconditioned nobody's means nothing......Bute was thought to be the hardest puncher in the SMW division till he fought Froch and his shots just bonced off him......... The closest Wlad came to Elite was Haye(whose far from an A level fighter) and he walked out of the ring without out a scratch.

 

louis knocks wlad out. i have no argument with that

 

????????????? loooooooooooool. Arguably the smartest boxer to get into the ring with the arguably the smartest trainer in his corner are going to let Wladimir stand there and jab him?? atsch

 

Always like reading your excellent posts magna - just wanted to get your opinion on Michael Moorer aswell - aside from getting caught by the bingo shot late from Foreman based on how well he boxed up to that point and if taking only an in shape and motivated Moorer how do you rate him? I think he's one of the most under rated - I see you see George having a good shot with Vlad - how do you see Moorer against Vlad? And what do you think of Moorer as a fighter aside from how you think he does against Vlad?

 

I see what you're saying I just dont like the assumption that rocky could beat a bigger man when he never did. Foster was a great lhw but against heavyweight fighters he looked feeble. Stepping up in weight is something should be proved and not taken for granted imo.

Frazier and Tyson both have a huge stylistic ad advantage and should both do wlad before the fifth. Louis could take longer because he's more patient but the minute wlad tires and drops his hands Louis will **** his world up.

If Rocky can take the shots I'd favour him because I don't think a man of Wlad's build is designed for twelve hard rounds. As he fades Rocky wouldn't and his shots would do more damage but that's not the likelihood for me. I see it being a similar story to the chag fight in that Rocky never gets past the jab and is felled by the first big right Wlad throws. Maybe I will give Rocky more of a chance than I did at the start due to his conditioning but he's still the underdog in my books. Definitely a live dog however.

 

For the record...

Rocky has little chance. For all his stamina and durability against smaller, older elite fighters, a prime Wlad would be dishing out too much and demand too high a price for Marciano to close the distance. And please, stop with the Marciano was hard to hit. Marciano was harder to hit than he seemed but still ate tons of leather.

I think Wlad has the right combination of assets to dissuade and ultimately stop Frazier. Too strong, too good of footwork, too powerful.

Conversely, Tyson has more in his arsenal and could get to Wlad, much faster at closing the distance and getting into his preferred range. Still, if he doesn't finish the task in 5, the tables turn.

Ali, no question. Just too much.

 

Louis wins also

 

Tyson rapes Wladiqueer every single time with a 100% win percentage and a 100% KO percentage, even if they fought 100 times.

 

As you all see my contributions quickly dwindle to nothing, refer to posts like this for the reason why.

Then again, most who are worth conversing with have already left or seem to have one foot out the door.

It was cool while it lasted.