Wladimir Klitschko vs Sonny Liston

Patterson would be a very great smw today.
Just as great at lhw.
And good/very good at cruiser

But at hw his chin and size would be his downfall.
Though he could be good enough for a top 10 spot

P4P a very great fighter

 

His size would be his advantage. He would be incredibly hard to hit

 

His low height would be the advantage not his size.

He isn't as stocky as Tua or Tyson, he's smaller despite being taller.

The low weight would **** him up in clinches.
And then we got his chin...
His power wouldn't be special anymore at cruiser, it would be decent if not for his other shortcomings.

 

If he was the size of Tua he couldn't move like he could size,height whatever..

Whats wrong with his chin? Chuvalo was strong as a bull,Bonavena tried to knock his block off and he hit hard.

Power was never his strong point but if he constantly hit,he would,it would hurt.

 

My bad, Floyd punches wouldnt hurt..punch stats plus sit ups,medicine ball etc weren't invented until 2001

 

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li also moved and punched faster than most lightheavies and middleweights, his jab might have been faster than Robinsons.

Chuvalo was also very slow. Slower than most hws, Bonavena wasn't that good but point taken. Patterson could still be a decent guy today.

I already said his power isn't that much of a problem but when he was younger he did rely too much on it and when you put a bigger good/very good man in front of him, Floyd could simply start fighting the wrong fight and get KOd.

His chin is worse than the whole top 15-20 hws today and his power probably is less too safe for a few individuals maybe.
If he relies on his power like he did when he was young he will simply get stopped quickly.

 

Fair points but Chuvalo still hit hard so did Bonavena.

What HW today could accurately hit his chin, I'd saying maybe Haye. So that's not really a probelm because his fighting style is designed not to get hit.

Patterson would bedazzle he's simply too fast.

 

So Pianeta is a decent opponent? lol

How was Liston a rubbish champion?

Wlad couldn't land easily,freely on Haye..Wonder why? size(mobility) and speed.

You cant successfully argue size so why do you keep bringing it up. You're stats are just that because there proven predictability "0%"

 

i don´t know about wladimir, but 2003 vitali would kick the ass of liston

 

To be fair, I think Patterson can sneak into the top 10 if he's as focused as he was later in his career.
And maybe get a belt if the K2 brothers weren't around but I don't think he would become a champ or a top 3/5 guy.

I think a guy like Patterson having succes in the hw division today would also be a good stimulation for other cruisers to follow his path into the hw division which would be overal good for the division.

In the end I would certainly follow a guy like Patterson and support him even though I know he will never be a great heavyweight.
But he will be good and he will be exciting which is all that matters really.

 

Don't respond to Glover, if everybody keeps ignoring him he will be gone within a week or 2.

Haye fought a very hard fight for Wlad to KO him though.
Only being in positions to counter not being the aggressor, Wlad wasn't on the offense too. Only keeping Haye at the end of his jab.
Defensively Haye fought a very good fight and Wlad fought as tight as one could fight.

But lets hope Wlad will never fight a counter puncher like Haye again.

 

That blog also told you that Butterbean had more hand speed than "slomo" Liston right?

 

Wlad..

 

Liston has a jab to neutralize Wlad's and the left hook
to put his lights out. I mean honestly who can you seriously
favor over Liston? Bowe, Foreman, Tyson maybe ....... Liston
Could beat all of them though. Its more a case of mental
strength and toughness, Liston was a tough as iron dude,
Wlad is not. Liston will be applying pressure with a jab
just as powerful as Wlads, and killer hooks, uppercuts,
and straights. Wlad folds mentally here.

 

Sonny never displayed the fleet footedness of Haye or other quick heavyweights. That isn't to say that his footwork was bad, on the whole I'd actually say his footwork was better for implementing his style of fight than Haye's, but he lacked that explosive ability to close a gap in a heartbeat. I'm open to examples to the contrary, though.

I'm not sure how you can say Wlad "hardly landed" or how his performance against Haye showed to you that he couldn't handle speed and power. Quite the opposite really.

Besides, that's besides the point. Sonny isn't a fast heavyweight. Nowhere close. If he's going to beat Wlad (and I've already conceded that I think he has a better chance than most to turn the trick) it's going to be through other means, namely intelligent and constant pressure and consistent disruption to Wlad's rhythm, which he can do with his jab.

Wlad has the ability to maintain a consistent jab both on the backfoot and the frontfoot, due to his quick shuffle steps that allow him to keep a wide stance at all times. Sonny not taking a backward step is hardly any different from many of Wlad's opponents, and whilst he's on a clear level above the likes of Peter, Brewster and co, he's hardly going to throw Wlad into a tizzy simply by virtue of constantly coming forward. If Wlad can't push him back, he'll revert to jabbing on the back foot, or clinching Sonny up in close. Forward pressure alone is not going to throw him off his game.