Wladimir Klitschko vs Tyson Fury All time

Chisora was only 30 years old and coming off by far his career best peformance in the previous fight a SD against Wach (,which was debatable). Certainly not shot, not just never that good in the first place.

Scott was stopped by Chisora in 6 and was a Chisora before his late prime were he took his training and nutrition seriously. When I mention that low level guys such Washington and Spzilka were out boxing Wilder, you normally dismiss this and state only the 3nd results matters and that Wilder has stopped. So it's interesting you change your view on that now.

Duhaupas lives off that one off win against Helenius, did nothing of note apart from that. Duhaupas was the French Dave Allen. Very, very durable but barley threw over half dozen punches around. Whilst Duhaupas isn't Chisora best opponent he has beaten (he was robbed a win) it's Takam. Whilst Helenius doesn't even get into Whyte top 3 opponents beaten (unlike Wilder, hence Whyte has a superior record).

Chisora wouldn't beat AJs top half a dozen opponents he has beaten ( excpet for robbery like Pulev rematch). Unlike Wildwrs record where Chisora beats everyone Wilder has.

 

you said world champions idiot if you do not have a title by definition you cannot be a champion.

 

Fury engaged a forty year old in a staring match. then ran like hell from the contracted rematch Fought a bum hunter worse than him thrice. Fought a guy who was knocked unconscious by a 41 year old two fights previous. Sounds like a real world beater.

 

The fact that Szpilka beat Wach doesn't help your case because a more faded version of Wach went on to give Whyte a very tough fight. Wach was very slow and not an effective pressure fighter, hence he couldn't test Szpilka's glass chin enough to beat him over 10 (though he still dropped him). Prior to that Szpilka had gone 10 rounds with Guinn, got steamrolled in 4 by pressure fighter Kownacki and had his chin absolutely shattered by Wilder in one of the most brutal KO's you'll ever see, for which he was inactive for 18 months after. Szpilka's punch resistance was always relatively poor but by the time he fought Chisora it was absolutely terrible and Chisora is a stylistic nightmare for him as a pressure fighter.

It wasn't just that Scott was able to win multiple rounds against Chisora and possibly be ahead at the time of the stoppage, it was that he was able to land hard shots and do damage to Chisora, more in fact over 6 with Chisora than he did over 12 with Ortiz. Neither Washington or Szpilka were ahead on the cards against Wilder and neither did any real damage to him: Szpilka for example had far more success landing hard shots against Jennings.

Duhaupas beat Euro level Charr and KO'd 22-0 Helenius, which neither Chisora or Whyte could do. He also went the distance with prime versions of Teper (highly competitive fight) and Miller over 12, who were both serious KO threats. Miller was on a 12 fight streak where only a faded Duhaupas went the distance with him, whereas a near-prime Wach was stopped in 9 rounds. Teper KO'd Price in 2 rounds, whereas Dave Allen got schooled, battered and retired after 10 by Price.

You have to big up Dave Allen because he gave Whyte a relatively hard time and took him the full 10 but you like to omit that Allen landed 1/4 as many shots against Ortiz and got stopped in 7. Aside from the fact he lost to Lenroy Thomas who Breazeale destroyed, who did Allen ever beat who was nearly as good as Helenius or Charr? A washed up Browne who was coming to lose? (who Allen KO'd much faster than Whyte did). That glass chinned sub-domestic level Nick Webb?

Whyte's record is inferior to Wilder's because he never beat anyone nearly as good as Ortiz, has had close/controversial fights against mediocrities like Parker and Chisora and has been KO'd three times now, including by boxers far inferior to Fury like a 2015 AJ and an about to turn 41 year old Povetkin in Britain. When Whyte fought Fury he got shown his level, couldn't land a solid power punch to the head over 18 minutes and was one-shotted. Even Wilder in the 2nd fight performed better than that, let alone the 1st and 3rd fights.

With A-side advantage Chisora would have beaten Whyte and Parker (both SD's as the B-side) as well as Pulev. He would have also beaten Ruiz and had a good shot on a 39 year old Povetkin who was coming off getting dropped by David Price. Chisora would have lost to Ortiz 1, Stiverne 1 and probably Ortiz 2.

 

As it currently stands Wlad is the greater fighter. Gotta say though I think Fury would have always given Wlad problems h2h. I know quite alot of people like to point to wlads age as the main reason Fury won, but I think the fact that for the first time in his career he was fighting someone taller than him who is actually skilled was a much bigger factor.

You don't have to watch a whole lot of title defences from Wlad to see how his ability to use his height advantage over his opponents played a major part in his longevity as champion.