Wladimir Klitschko will simply outclass Haye..

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  1. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    David Haye is pushing himself to much. He will realize it in the ring when he stands infront of a hard hitting and big man like Wlad.

    Haye should better think before talk, but little head, little brain. It is obviously.
     
  2. McGrain

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    I agree with some of this, but I think Haye should ditch the body punches, frankly. Unless it's part of a wider strategy to take away range, I would leave it. When you have a chin issue but not a power issue, body-punching is not at a premium.
     
  3. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    So you think a better idea would be to let Wlad feel completely relaxed and comfortable?

    What a stupid notion, if Haye can get Wlad to come out swinging so he can counter rather than trying to counter over a jab then his chances of winning the fight go up markedly.

    You think he would have more chance of winning the fight if he wasnt talking all the time. :rofl
     
  4. JohnAkiBoa

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    Mr.Haye here, jisi?:huh
     
  5. McGrain

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    If Wlad is literally baited to anger in the ring by all this then it is absolutley time well spent on Haye's part. It is not "selling the fight" it is not "being a *****" it is literally a part of a winning strategy.

    I hate the way i am beating this drum so far ahead of the fight because people are going to be sick of it by fight night but tempo and range tempo and range tempo and range. Take either one away from Wlad and you have a serious chance at him. If talking gets Wlad to commit to aggressively or move in to quickly, great stuff from Haye.

    However, I don't expect that to happen personally - Wlad is to good a general with big weaknesses possibly ready to be exposed underneath that control. The man is a proffessional. But if this is Haye's plan, more power to him, and he should turn the volume up, not down.
     
  6. 196osh

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    I agree 100%.

    To suggest that it is not a good idea is ludicrous, getting beat and KO'd is getting beat and KO'd.

    If Haye loses then he may as well have done everything in his power to help him win this fight rather than being meek and respectful and letting Wlad dictate to him.
     
  7. Rudolph

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    You see, that's a mistake made by every Wlad's opponent - they are so filled with the idea of him having a glass chin they want to KO him immediately by trying to reach his chin with the first punch they throw. They completely ignore his body. First, that chin aint so bad, second, it's not easy to hit, third, he doesn't protect his body AT ALL. Kill the body and the head will fall. I'm not saying Haye should concentrate exclusively on Klitschko's ribs and liver. I'm saying that's where his combinations should start - downstairs. After a while Klitschko will follow his instincts and lower his elbows. He will not even notice how his fists are lower than before. That's when Haye can throw a combination with a finishing head shot.
     
  8. McGrain

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    I hear you, but my suggestion is nothing to do with the Wlad chin and everything to do with the Haye chin. I don't think that investment in bodywork, of which I am a fan generally, is worth it for Haye in this fight because of the Wlad counter. That danger exsists regardles, of course, but the best way to get hit in the head is to punch to the body. I'm not convinced that it is worth the risk.

    If it can be done, I think it will be done with speed and angles. This is why Haye's footwork concerns me. But I can't believe they are not attending to this in training. It could be everything in this fight.

    Also, closing distance is obviously more difficult using a body attack. I think my obsession with range and tempo are justified in this one, and I wouldn't like to see Haye commiting to anything that isn't impacting one or other of these fronts. But we'll see.
     
  9. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Going to the body increases your risk of getting caught with something big, Haye is a good body puncher, but body punching against a guy who if you get inside to body punch will lean on you with his extra 30lbs of weight and then if you try to hit him from the outside with body shots will kill Haye with left hooks.


    I just think it leaves him too exposed. Particularly when he has speed and brutal power to finish Wlad with one shot. He needs to concentrate on feinting and making sure that he makes Wlad lead more than anything imo.
     
  10. McGrain

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    This is the ideal scenario.

    But making Wlad lead at the wrong time will be absolute murder.
     
  11. ya-ni

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    I believed wlad was going to finish Hayes within 3 rounds,,,,but his promises to make it last, i believe he will stick to it, an land with less power till late in the fight, were he will begin to put the finishing touches on a guy who is in a 100% defensive mode,,,,i can't wait for the fight an to read this forum after it
     
  12. jisi

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    Right and Wlad won olympic gold in 1996 in the Superheavyweight division.

    Wlad boxes in this division sind he is 19 years old!
     
  13. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    So many senarios are possible in this fight it almost boggles the mind, unforunantly the most likley one imo is another jab fest where Wlad just leans back and avoids Haye's shots and gets a late TKO....:mad:
     
  14. Rudolph

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    I see.

    Well basically i was thinking of Wlad's fight against Brock, the first few rounds. Brock did an excellent job - he threw off Wlads timing, he took away his jab and was working the body pretty well. It was quite surprising. Brock by the way was the only guy with a plan against Klitschko in the recent years.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I think you make excellent points overall, we just disagree about this specific fight.