wladimir klitschko's dominance is out of this world

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  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Champs
    Wlad 6'6 238-249
    Lewis 6'5 229-256
    Bowe 6'5 235-252
    Holyfield 6'2.5 208-221
    Tyson 5'10 216-222
    Spinks 6'2.5 199-212
    Holmes 6'3 209-217
    Foreman 6'3.5 217-226
    Frazier 5'11.5 203-217
    Ali 6'3 206-214/215-230
    Liston 6'0.5 213-218
    Patterson 6'0 182-196
    Louis 6'2 196-213

    Opponents:
    Shavers 6'0 206-213
    Chuvalo 6'0 208-221
    Quarry 6'0 193-207
    Ellis 6'1 189-201
    Williams 6'3 210
    Lyle 6'3 211-220
    Norton 6'3 205-225
    Mathis 6'3 232-263
    Wepner 6'5 215-228
    C00ney 6'5 224-238
    Terrell 6'6 199-212

    Current Heavyweights:
    Povetkin 6'2 224-231
    Stiverne 6'2 238-248
    Cunningham 6'3 203-210
    Jennings 6'3 222-227
    Pulev 6'4.5 245
    Joshua 6'6 229-240
    Wilder 6'6.5 223-229
    Price 6'8 245-252
    Fury 6'9 245-264

    Beat Wlad Over 10 Years Ago:
    Purritty 6'3 249
    Sanders 6'4 225
    Brewster 6'2 226

    Wlad's Smallest Opponent:
    Chambers 6'1 209


    OK so size isn't everything, but it's definitely something. If you look at a lot of great heavyweights, they took more losses when they stepped up the weight of their opponents. Keep in mind that Crawford and Alvarez cut 18lb, Salido 19lb, JCC Jr. over 20...so any heavyweight under 220 could easily make cruiser.

    Against Wlad, you're asking guys who are used to opponents being 6'0-6'3 195-225, with 6'3/225lb being considered HUGE to fight a guy who is 6'6/245lb AND more skilled than the smaller guys. His weakness is a poor chin but his strength is his defense, jab, fitness, and power. Even the biggest guys back in the day generally had a huge disadvantage in skills and conditioning....you could get to them with no problem, they couldn't touch you, and they'd wear down easily.

    I just think what the modern heavyweight era may lack in skills and action fights it makes up for in athleticism and size. And I think Wlad's skillset is better than anyone except Ali, Louis, Tyson, Holyfield, and maybe Lewis...but his size advantage more than compensates for that in most cases. I think he'd mow down most of the other guys except the ones I mentioned before (Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield, and Tyson because of the way their skillsets and/or size match up).
     
  2. skier47

    skier47 Guest

    There is also the mental aspect which would favor Wlad against Bowe and Tyson. Bowe and Tyson were mentally fragile when faced with real adversity in the ring. Tyson was easily frustrated when outboxed and hurt and would resort to fouling a superior boxer and get disqualified. Bowe was a real nutcase who ate like a pig between fights and never trained properly. The guy kidnapped his own wife, for goodness sake. Wlad would dominate them mentally before the fight even started and outbox them easily with his superior technical boxing skills, hurt them with his two-fisted power later in the fight and out point them badly or knock them out late. They might well take the easy route and get dirty and get themselves DQ'ed to avoid the inevitable beat down from Wlad.
     
  3. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wlad prime is between 2007-2012. Atleast i think that. The improvement of Wlad can be seen easy, Wlad vs Peter 1 and Wlad vs Peter 2 can show us this easy and everybody who watch boxing carefully can see the difference in Klitschko. He improve so much in that period, its just not real.
    Loudon, i do rate him high. I think he is a great boxer, but he got to prove this in his next fights.
    I rate high and Povetkin. But i also think if Povetkin didnt duck Wlad for so long and didnt delay the match so long and face Wlad in 2010 he would be annihilated and KTFO. In my eyes Wlad looks very unbeatable in that period(2007-2012). His movement was superb, reflexes, speed, cardio, all, now he still got the speed and power, but he relies more on clinches, but he is 38 years old and its normal his cardio to not be the same, as well his movement. And lets not forget the great late Many is not with him anymore as well in the Povetkin fight.
    Povetkin was waiting Wlad to get old, but he still lose.
    And for Wlad loses, 2 of his loses was do to fatigue issue. The one with Brewster was strange as hell tho. And late Sanders KTFO Wlad, and Klitschko learn his lesson well and understand that if he want to be champion, he need good defense as well and cant go into wild exchanges with everyone, and that his chin isnt that good. I dont think tho his chin is from glass, but its not a strong one as well.
     
  4. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Spot on, 100% co-sign :deal
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Are you going to tell me who today would knock the sh*t out of Michael Spinks etc?

    Look at today's top 20.

    Wlad's the King.

    Wilder, Joshua and Fury are still prospects, who as yet, haven't achieved anything.

    Most of the others are good fighters, but nobody is great.

    You've made a bold statement.

    Do you seriously think guys like Arreola, Pulev, and Chisora etc, would have hammered Spinks and Joe Frazier?
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I can respect the above.

    :good