Wladimir Klitschko's legacy without smaller heavyweights?

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  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Since this is the era of the new, modern "superheavyweights", I am genuinely wondering how Wladimir Klitschko's legacy would look like if the small, outsized heavyweights decided to stay at or cut down to cruiserweight instead.

    The standard for "superheavyweights" is above 6'3'', and 230+ pounds.

    This would thus exclude Wladimir Klitschkos victories over:


    Bryant Jennings - 6'3'' 225lb
    Alexander Povetkin - 6'2'' 225lb
    Ruslan Chagaev - 5'11' 225lb
    Sultan Ibragimov - 6'2'' 220lb
    David Haye - 6'3'' 210lb
    Chris Byrd - 6'1'' 210lb

    Among others such as Eddie Chambers, Lamon Brewster and Ray Mercer.

    His best wins would be Kubrat Pulev and Tony Thompson. What do you think?
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Wow yet another lame thread attempting to discredit the accomplishments of one of the greatest Heavyweight boxers of all time.
     
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  3. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    How did you get to that? I'm arguing the quality of the "superheavyweights" that are allegedly ruling the division nowadays.

    As you can see, not a single one of his best wins meet the criteria.

    I have nothing but respect for Mr. Klitschko and his accomplishments.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It just seems like an sly attempt to say Wlad is just a way bigger guy and that's the only reason he wins his matches to me.:conf
     
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  5. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Not at all, my dear friend. I'm in the "size is overrated and can be countered" camp. :good
     
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  6. uncletermite

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    The smaller Hw's would still be on par with 6'3 220 70's Foreman wouldn't they?
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :good Okay good to hear, but assuming its an anti-Wlad isn't out of line due to the fact that there's so rarely a pro-Wlad thread.
     
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  8. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Yes, termite.
     
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  9. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's a major problem with heavyweight. In other divisions you have tall dudes but they are usually very slim(i.e. Postol, Flanagan, Willie Nelson, N'Dam, Andy Lee, Oosthuizen) so the opponent can at least have some size/bulk advantage. But in HW there's no max limit so you can be both taller and bulkier than your opponent which is the case with most of Wlad's opponents. This is one of the main reasons why Fury fight is hyped so much. I've always maintained the idea that cruiserweight should be 180-210 and it should be a financially strong division so top fighters shouldn't have to move up and become gatekeepers/underachievers, as is the case with Cunningham, Glazkov etc.
     
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  10. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No doubt that if Pro boxing made distinction between heavyweight and SuperHW then Vlad would probably have fewer bouts, more loses.
    The size advantage Vlad enjoys over his opponents is significant, and Emannuel Stewart taught him the technique on how to make it Vlad's number 1 asset when facing smaller HW opposition.
     
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  11. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Was Haye and Byrd really 210lb when they fought Wlad? Don't think so.
    Also you can't assume most cruisers cut down 30 lbs from 230 to 200. That's foolish.

    Most cut down 10-15 at most.
     
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  12. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Why wouldn't they be? They're fighting in a no-limit weight division, no reason for them to cover up their actual weight.

    And of course they could cut down to cruiser. I mean, if they fought in cruiser, they'd actually be in shape! Chagaev, Povetkin and Ibragimov look like your local plumbers. Clearly all 3 are carrying excess weight and their athletic peaks would be 205-215. Then they would cut down to cruiser.
     
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  13. Brighton bomber

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    Hmm interesting idea in regards to how important these smaller heavies are in regards to Wlad's legacy. Many of his best wins were against so called non super heavies like Haye, Byrd and Povetkin.
     
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  14. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Load of ****, this thread is. Say, Yoga would.
     
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  15. Robney

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    it's just how heavyweight works, there's no limit and it has always been that way.
    Remove all the smaller heavyweights from Ali's, Bowe's, Lennox', Louis' and Foreman's records and then look at their legacy...
     
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