Wladimir Klitschko's legacy without smaller heavyweights?

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Andrew stop being full of shyt. I said he'd be close to 200lbs, not 200. 215 is close to 200

    And of course corrie was worst at age 37 that when he was prime. this forum is not on planet kliturd where people who defeat wlad are prime "when they beat wlad"

    Enough kliturdity.

    I think you should stop trying to deflect from the questions I posed you. Answer them now in the next post, no more running away.
     
  2. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another epically feeble response. Answers above.
     
  3. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    It's fine as it is.

    My point is that ALL the top contenders are smaller HWs. Every. Single. One. Look at the OP. Those are Wlad's best wins in his career. None of them super HW's. The only guy who is a SHW that could make that list is Sam Peter and even he lost to Eddie Chambers and shot to bits James Toney.

    No, not really. Not even close. The 80's had some of the biggest men in the history of the sport competing. Name me one guy on Wlad's resume who was actually in shape at 230 like Bonecrusher Smith.

    Ibragimov and Povetkin look like dough boys at 220. Witherspoon, ****ey, Norton, Berbick, Weaver and others looked like Hercules in comparison at the same weight.

    Heavier does not mean bigger. The boxers of the past were actual athletes who worked down and tortured themselves into optimal physical shape.

    If Wladimir Klitschkos opponents came into the fight in an objectively athletic physical shape as they should, the amount making 230+ would be in single digits.
     
  4. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    You seriously think that the opponents of Larry Holmes couldn't make 240 lbs? That's probably the weight they walked around with. They would come in 20 pounds lighter because they would actually train.


    Wlads opponents are a bunch of average sized HW's that eat themselves up to that point, carrying excess fat all over.
     
  5. HerolGee

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    so you've not answered the post concerned at all, opting to continue your later flop post.

    why, Andrew?
     
  6. Baba Duke

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    I'm pleased with this rule change, Holyfield no longer has losses to Lewis and Bowe.

    Evander now the greatest heavyweight of the 90s by good margin.
     
  7. HerolGee

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    thing is,e vander probably is greater than lewis and bowe in terms of his accomplishments.

    whislt hes not a greater HW h2h or in that division alone, hes accomplished more in terms of boxing, although shadowed by ped use.
     
  8. andrewa1

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    No, per above answers. Also, its worth pointing out that in order to make your "point", even though per above I basically destroy that, you ignore 2 out of the 3 major features of higher level modern heavyweights. You have to ignore 1. the champ and 2 the lesser contenders. In both circumstances, those entities are indisputably bigger in about every category imaginable from counterparts more than 30 years ago. You pin all your argument on the very highest of Wlad's competitors, and even there you fail, as they still weight significantly more than earlier era's.
     
  9. andrewa1

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    Uhm, you do realize I posted all answers in bold in your quoted text, right? Or are you so mind numbingly stupid that you didn't even realize that?
     
  10. lewis gassed

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    k thanks, well I'm a little surprised Byrd x2 and Haye were close to 210 lbs.
    And yes Wlad's size helps him for sure.
     
  11. andrewa1

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    Pure, unsupported speculation that goes against all evidence. Holmes opponents are notably shorter than Wlads. Anti Wlad agenda on full display now, glad I could out you and show this thread to be the desperate, irrational flailings of a troll.
     
  12. HerolGee

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    you haven't attempted to answer the post in question, which you are fully aware is a completely different post to the one you quoted.

    this might explain your descent in expletives as some attempt of a diversion.


    why are you trying to extend your avoidance?
     
  13. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Herol, I'm afraid your sinking back into total inanity. I've answered your poor attempts at arguments. Unlike you, with logically provable insight. If there is a particular "point" you want me to shot down that you feel I haven't, please let me know. You lack of intelligence is probably holding you back from realizing I either already answered it or that it was so poorly framed as to be unclear there was any point to answer.

    Or, you are at least smart enough to know you've been owned, and are trying to obscure this by referencing a nonexistent point that you are trying to claim I haven't answered.
     
  14. Baba Duke

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    Especially if you take away their wins over smaller men.
     
  15. HerolGee

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    without taking them away, evander has done morealready

    edit - having said that evander was one of those smaller men, so ... weird huh?


    but this is all good, all we are proving is that the bigger hws aren't some special force with each of these posts. good observation by the Pug.