Wladimir Klitschko's Title Reign

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rate Wladimir's Klitschko reign as the heavyweight champion but only through the perspective of his era, not comparing him to the other ATGs.

    He reigned for over 9 years, had 18 title defences. 12 fights between 2005 and 2015 (including the title eliminator) he had were against Top 10 competition: Peter, Byrd, Austin, Ibragimov, Thompson, Chagaev, Chambers, Haye, Povetkin, Pulev, Jennings, Fury.

    Opponents fought outside of the Top 10 who were mandatory opponents: Thompson II, Leapai

    Opponents considered the best in the division beside Wlad: Byrd, Povetkin, Pulev

    Opponents considered the best in the division beside Wlad & Vitali: Chagaev, Haye

    Greatest misses? Of course his brother for obvious reasons. Valuev maybe? But he beat the guy who beat him in Chagaev. Plus people at the time said Valuev was ducking the Klitschkos. Derek Chisora for sure, they were supposed to fight twice but Wlad pulled out due to the injury.

    In my opinion I would give it 9/10. Unified 3 belts, restored the lineage, was the best heavyweight on the planet for 8 years straight, beat every top contender not named Klitschko and never ducked anybody (even tho you can make a case for him ducking Chisora). The biggest stain on his reign is not fighting the second best heavyweight of his era, but it is understandable. Besides, Wlad was a title holder for 2.5 years before Vitali came back and was the champion 3 years after the last time Vitali fought.
     
  2. themostoverrated

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    I concur with the rating: 9/10. The biggest misses for me are Nikolay Valuev and a rising Deontay Wilder.

    Btw, here it the greatest feature of Wladimir's resume - he defended his title against challengers of different nationalities.

    USA - Brock, Austin, Brewster, Rahman, Thompson, Chambers, Jennings
    Russia - Ibragimov, Povetkin
    UK - Haye
    Uzbekistan - Chagaev
    Nigeria - Peter
    France - Mormec
    Poland - Wach
    Italy - Pianeta
    Australia - Leapai
    Bulgaria - Pulev.

    That is ten different nationalities across five continents. Wladimir Klitschko was the first true 'world' champion.
     
  3. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To be fair, Wilder's camp ducked Klitschko and they were very open about it:

    Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin (the No. 2 contender) in Russia and make $10 million. It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.

    I think Ali going all around the world defending the title can count as being the "world" champion as well.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    9/10, and the guys from this era show how hard it is to recreate what he did.

    Fury--Has/had the talent, but rarely stayed active and likes fighting bums.
    Joshua and Wilder--Not good enough.
    Usyk--Too old and less dominant.
     
  5. Unique Way

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    Valuev? Hell no! Wlad easily beat two guys who kicked Valuev's ass. Plus it was Valuev who ducked Wlad like a plague, not the other way around.
     
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  6. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was extraordinarily mediocre. I would give it about a 6.
     
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  7. themostoverrated

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    I did it for Muhammad Ali and it looks good:

    USA - Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Williams, Terrell, Folley, Wepner, Young.
    UK - Cooper, London, Dunn
    Germany - Mildenberger
    Canada - Chuvalo
    Belgium - Coopman
    Hungary - Bugner
    Uruguay - Evangelista

    Seven countries and three continents. If we call him Aussie Bugner, then its four continents.
     
  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Wlad would've badly hurt Valuev. Valuev had a chance to fight Vitali, but he basically wanted a retirement fund from Vitali, since he knew what was going to happen in the ring. Valuev's reasoning for turning down the fight was that he had to agree to two rematch clauses with Vitali. If he managed to beat Vitali he would have to rematch Vitali and if he managed to beat Vitali a second time he'd have to fight Wlad. A guy like Zhang would've jumped at the opportunity if given such an offer.

    Here is a piece on Vitali commenting on Valuev turning down his $2.5 million offer to fight.

    WBC world heavyweight champion Vitali “Dr. Iron Fist” Klitschko called former two-time WBA heavyweight titlist Nikolai Valuev a “chicken” this week for rejecting a $2.5 million contract offer to fight this spring.

    Instead of scrapping the enormous Russian Valuev (50-2-0-1, 34 KOs), Klitschko (39-2, 37 KOs) will defend his crown versus Polish pugilist Albert Sosnowski (45-2-1, 27 KOs) on May 29 in Germany.

    “I don’t want to speak bad about him, but I gave Valuev the biggest financial proposal of his career,” said Klitschko, 38, a Ukrainian who has the highest knockout percentage (94.9 percent) of any heavyweight champion ever.

    He [Valuev] told me ‘No, four.’ There are two reasons why he’s done this. Firstly, he wanted to say no anyway. Four million is unrealistic for someone who has just lost their title. The second point is that he understands if the loses to me straight after losing his title, that’s it for him. Valuev is a chicken.

    Russian immigrant Alex Yuzhakov stated that he agrees with Klitschko that Valuev is indeed a coward.

    Klitschko is right, Valuev is a chicken,” said Yuzhakov, 28, who was born in Moscow and currently resides in Somerville. “For a Russian man to turn down $2.5 million a lot of fear must have been involved. Maybe he’s waiting for a more opportune time to fight Klitschko. No matter, he will never beat the true ex-Soviet beast.

    Valuev squandered his belt last November when he lost a close majority decision to Englishman David “The Hayemaker” Haye (23-1, 21KOs).
    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/361065-vitali-klitschko-calls-russian-giant-nikolai-valuev-a-chicken
     
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  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What could have he done more than he already did?
     
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  10. Smoochie

    Smoochie leak the greb tapes bro Full Member

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    Wladinski was not very fan-friendly but you couldn't ask more from him.
    Also Valuev is mid and arguably lost to shot Oldiefield.
     
  11. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would have liked a fight between Wlad & Sergei Liahkovich back in 2006 after Sergei beat Lamon Brewster. It would have been a title unification, and Sergei looked brilliant beating Brewster in a scorching fight

    But all in all, I agree with the 9/10 rating

    He cleaned out the division almost as well as anyone
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Klitschko wanted to fight Wilder.... AFTER he defended against Fury.

    A day after Wilder won the title, Wlad VS Jennings was announced. Immediately following Wlad's win, he announced he wanted to defend against Fury.
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    After his bout with Fury (contingent on a win), only then was a unification bout with Wilder viable https://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/0...-wilder-can-happen-at-the-start-of-next-year/

    I know we all hate Wilder, but there was no viable timeline for Wilder to duck Wlad even if he wanted to.
     
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  13. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The intentions to duck were all laid out.

    Klitschko defended against Jennings to beat the guy in WBC's Top 5 to get himself into the WBC's scope. Then Fury was the mandatory.

    We also can't forget Wilder had an opportunity to fight for the vacant WBA belt in April 2017 but declined and AJ stepped in.
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Saying they waned a few fights before fighting Wlad is not ducking lol. Wilder’s team was looking forward to the unification bout in early ‘16 as well.

    Please tell me when was there a viable time for them to have had a unification bout prior to Wlad’s retirement. There literally was none.
     
  15. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Realistically, April 2017 as I said.

    And why would Wilder need few more fights before fighting Klitschko? He was 29 and over a 6 years pro when he won the belt. Fought 33 times. AJ faced Klitschko in April 2017 after 18 fights, while not being even 4 years pro.