Wladimir too much to lose?

So, you expect Wlad to be the one who is inactive for nearly a year by waiting another half year to fight Haye?

 

You don't think Sky will be airing Wlad vs Chisora?

 

Hayes cost wlad big money in 2009 by having him wait till middle of the year to fight, then pulls out of the fight, without ever showing proof of his injury.

Wlad going to fight 3 times this year, an if hayes isn't on board for one of those times, then we know he is fool of ****, why not just ask wlad to fight him in auguest then. Hayes if fool crap an wlad knows it, that is why he signed to fight in april, cause he wants him fans to enjoy him fighting, not waiting for some moron liar

 

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No big fights happen in August.

Why not fight chisora in Feb ?????

 

Because Wlad has two television dates. April and July. Haye chose July 2nd... Wlad agreed to fight him then, and will also keep his date and fight in April as well. It's really not that difficult to understand... and it really wouldn't be a big deal to anyone if Haye wasn't being a drama queen about it, just because he wanted to fight Wlad coming off an injury and forced to be inactive for almost a year.

 

Switch it to early april an late july would maybe work, but i think this is more a hear game on hayes part, he did the same **** in 2009

 

Yes, for free.

You actually think they are going to put two PPVs on in the same month? They're a business, they want to maximise their income. Putting two PPVs on in one month will cause a large amount of people to choose between one or the other. When they Sky puts fights on PPV they have to hype it to try and sell it to the non-hardcore general public - no way are they buying two PPVs in a month at £30.

Come on man, use your brain. You don't alays have to take sides - look at things objectively for a change. I've seen you make so many conjecture based posts

 

Chisora doesn't care about two TV stations and he agrees to the financial offer (not soooo big) from Wlad, while Haye wanted PPV in both GB and Germany to maximize income .... it turns out he will end up with Chagayev fighting for like 5% of this what he could get from fighting Wlad in July.

 

Looks like Sky had a date open then. If Haye is saying they could do a PPV in May, I am sure they could have done it the day before May. Haye should have fought Wlad in April if he is so upset that someone else is. Haye is still getting his fight with Wlad, the rest don't concern him. Maybe Wlad will let him carry his spit bucket or something for that fight.

 

You're doing it again. Stop with you're ****ing conjecture! I'm not even making excuses for either party here, I'm just telling you how it is with Sky.

If you genuinely don't understand the difference between having a date open to show boxing (which they do on SKY SPORTS every week FOR FREE) and a date open to stage a PPV event then there is something wrong with your brain.

Sky did not offer an April date for the fight. This is because they have a Khan fight on in April and will not, and have never put on two PPVs on in the same calendar month. The majority of the public are paid by the calendar month. Trying to sell two PPVs to the same target audience in the same calendar month will cause a lot of them to choose between one event or the other, severely reducing the revenue. Sky don't want reduced revenue because they are a BUSINESS existing solely to make as much money as possible. The fighters don't want reduced revenue because it's their wages!

Why can you not grasp this? Please actually tell me what you don't understand.

Also, considering the hard fought negotiations ensuring that both sides get the maximum money they can, and considering that the majority of Haye and Wlads money is going to be generated by the PPV buys in Britain - do you really think Haye and Wlad and going to sacrifice potentially half of their purse (you're talking £$£Millions) by forcing Sky to put on another PPV so close to Khan's? Please address this point objectively.

These are legitimate points, not made to defend either fighter, but so that you can try and get your head round why the PPV dates offered by Sky were offered and why they are so important to both fighters. I'm actually afraid that you're just some fanboy teenager though, so you'll probably dismiss this in favour of some more unsubstantiated conjecture.

I'm not familiar enough with German TV to know why they can only offer a date in April and a date in July, but they have so that's that. BOTH parties have said that the first (only) date that BOTH contracted TV stations could agree on was July 2nd. You're arguing a moot point for no reason other than what I imagine is pure immaturity and fanboyism

 

That's fine. So, Wlad vs Haye couldn't happen in April. That's why they agreed to July and Wlad will fight Chisora in April. I am pointing out how ******ed this argument is. It's not a big deal. The Heavyweight Champion of the world wants to stay really active... god forbid... boxing fans around the world must now demand that he is inactive for almost a year!

 

Exactly. The TV dates is not the issue, yet you continued to argue that Sky could show it in April no problem - which is what 'got my goat' so to speak. No worries! :good

As for what's actually going on - I'm going to say that I genuinely think both parties want the fight. BUT the whole thing seems a pathetic mess.

Wlad doesn't want to stay inactive for too long and wants a tune up and to make some £s in the meantime, which is fine and makes sense to me - although I have to admit the 8 week turnaround does seem a little ambitious and risky (this is boxing - you NEVER know). I can completely understand Wlad's view here.

If Haye's motivation for not signing is because he wants to fight a rusty Wlad - then that's a ****s move and **** him.

However, I feel that him not signing because Wlad is fighting in April is probably more to do with it being his last year in the sport, the venue being in Germany and being pissed that Wlad would potentially jeopardise the fight when it is so big and worth so much that.

If something happens to Wlad and the fight can't go ahead in July then it's not as if Haye has a UK venue where he can just ship in another opponent and fight (as Wlad did in Germany when Setanta went under). All of a sudden he's a few months from retirement with a contracted Sky PPV date but no venue and less than 8 weeks to find a suitable 'big fight' opponent.

I wonder if he is thinking that if he can't get Wlad then he'll try and secure Adamek, which would have been pretty hard to do with under 8 weeks notice? I can't think of any other potential opponent bar VitKlit (who has Solis lined up).

The whole thing is a **** sandwich, but I think Haye should just have signed and rolled with it, although at the same time you could just say that Wlad could wait 8 weeks and we have a concrete fight . It's not as if there's really anything else for either fighter.

The whole situation is a sad indictment on the current state of boxing

 

:good Very good post.