"Wladimir versus The Legends."

I agree with Jackal.


I've always seen Tyson as a nightmare for Wlad. I'd bet on round three.

 

I agree. If one of them KO the other after the 8th round, it's Wlad. Anything under 5 is all George...

 

the two reasons would be what foreman did: pushed frazier back and threw uppercuts.

wlad really does neither consistently. he almost NEVER throws uppercuts and he uses his movement, not his strength to create distance. joe's an expert at rolling with the straight punches that wlad throws and closing the distance.

past prime or not, ali's movement was tremendous and in 71, he could keep joe off him. i LOVE wlad, don't get me wrong. but he hasn't demonstrated the physicality or uppercut to deal with a peak frazier. just my opinion anyway

 

Tyson wins by early KO

Frazier loses by KO

Lewis wins by KO

Foreman wins by KO

Holmes loses on points

Ali wins on points

Marciano loses on points

Liston loses on points

Louis wins by KO



:deal

 

I like the case Nightcrawler has made for Smokin' Joe, really I do but I can't see Frazier standing up to Wlad's shots. And he will clobber Joe, slow it down as much as he can and take some of Joe's momentum away.

Frazier would be fighting all the way, so I don't see Wlad having an easy time. But he'd stop Joe IMO.

Wlad is not the all-conquering monster he's made out to be by some but he does have some spectacular attributes and maximises his strengths and makes his weaknesses so hard to access.

Ali would stop him.

Liston Vs Wlad is horrible to analyse. Truly horrible. I'll go with the much bigger guy but is Liston that far off in reach? Stout chin for the most part and two fisted power. Sonny would be in the firing line more often that not and I'll take Wlad to clinch him when he tries to shorten his shots up in close and land the better shots at mid-range. Let's not pretend that Wlad destroys absolutely everyone because he doesn't. Wlad UD Liston

Patterson would get destroyed in the 2nd round. Wlad would feel him out early, not let the tiny Patterson get anywhere near him, and he'd throw with intent for the first time in the second, as he has many times. Be it the right or the left Floyd is going down and he isn't getting up. The force Wlad must generate with that frame would waste Patterson.

I think Tyson would just tear into Wlad and destroy him but if not Wlad has a chance to stink the place out in close (as Bonecrusher did) and work more effectively than Tucker did. He could essentially do what Douglas did to the very best Tyson but with clinching and jabbing. But I doubt it. Tyson KO4 Wlad.

Wlad destroys Jeffries, Corbett, Fitz, Burns In one night under modern rules.

Louis is a toss-up. He'd go down early, if he roses he has the handspeed and variety and nous to land on Wlad. But I think Wlad would do better than Buddy and Carnera and stop Louis with the left hook early. If he doesn't then even with his shuffling in Louis will know every slip, parry and counter out there to try and deal with Wlad's jab. Wlad could panic under that sort of artillery. I rate Louis much higher than Patterson but still, Wlad KO2 Louis

Marciano gets stopped, too small. Wlad would turn his face to mush if he doesn't keep him down early on. Wlad TKO6 Marciano (damage/cuts)

I don't care whether Marc Mormeck had an extra 20lbs of flab he's **** and didn't get stopped as early as some of the guys I'm mentioning here. But still, I'm taking the best Wlad I can think of and thinking about how he'd exploit their weaknesses. At heavyweight, with Wlad Vs some of these guys ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN. His opposition has also strayed into 'average' a few too many times with no real stand out 'wow' wins.

Pretty much all guys mentioned in this thread would stop Haye IMO.

 

Holmes Vs Wlad would be very interesting. Holmes quicker but not a deadly punching threat, no doubt he could sting and hurt Wlad though. Wlad hits hard enough to drop Larry heavily. Could go either way but I say it goes to a decision.

Lennox beats Wlad up and stops him inside 5 rounds IMO.

 

Word McGrain Im gonna pick up this issue tomorrow. I think
Foreman and Lewis KO Wlad earlier. I would pick Tyson by early
KO but I can see Wlad spoiling to last the distance but lose like
Smith and Tucker however I believe Tyson's hook gets to Wlad.
Tyson KO 2. Agree with the rest. Cant wait to get this issue.

 

as always, dig your analysis. the louis prediction surprises me a bit. louis had probably the greatest, short right hand in history. if wlad keeps him at a distance though, your prediction is very feasible (though i still feel it goes later than the second).

i see the tyson fight going as you described it (ala the bonecrusher fight) with wlad stinking it up. you gave tyson a KO in the 4th which is entirely possible (almost likely) but i see this wlad being able to maintain the distance and frustrate. then again maybe he doesn't

like what you said about liston. liston is a ****ing ******* to rate and pick h2h. if he had a couple of fights against different opposition (opposition that wasn't available) it'd be easier to pick him against other styles. based on what we have i'll take your prediction. ****ing liston...

patterson is the easiest to predict imo and has the least chance. it's a knockout. the round is the only variable.

interesting point about mormeck and it does make me wonder if a fat washed up mormeck and beyond shot rahman last as long as they did, how can i give superior fighters less of a chance? who knows but i do.

 

Rahman is another good pick. Twatted, smacked about, beat down, and still took a few knockdowns over a couple of rounds.

Wlad may have the more touted right hand but although it took Lennox two attempts (shameful really but **** happens) it took him one big right hand, because he really commuted to it.

Obviously Wlad's left hook is his best shot and wow, what a devastating shot it is, but he rarely throws it.

 

Wladamir might in fact be one of the legends himself.

Against other ATGs, I would expect him to do very well against the technical boxers, but loose to most of the punchers.

Of the fighters listed, the only one I would be confident picking him over is Patterson.

Louis and Lewis would be his toughest asignments.

 

Even the Current Wlad? Punchers wouldn't even touch him. The 2010 Wladimir is a whole different fighter than the pre 2006 Wladimir

 

admittedly, for a long time i favoured the tommy brooks version of wlad over this one. more aggression, more combos, more committment...however this wlad lacks the (now) more evident flaws in 2003 wlad's defense, pacing and overall generalship.

the old wlad was more flashy. the new wlad is simply much better

 

A reasonable result prediction but the comment is a bit stupid.
Wlad's jaw is no more "dubious" than Louis's.
I'd pick Louis to win by KO anyhow.

Spot on, imo. Obviously Marciano has a puncher's chance against anyone.

something like that, but it could be over inside 2 rounds.

I don't agree with the analysis. It's a pick 'em fight for me, at the moment.
Not sure how well Liston would cope with everything Wlad brings to the table.

Agree. Ali would outpoint him.

I hate to say it but Wlad has a greater chance of knocking Joe out.

Foreman early (rounds 1 - 4) or not at all.

Holmes outpoints Wlad, yes.

Another silly comment. The Wlad of recent years in a supremely confident champion. He wouldn't be freezing up against the man-child Tyson.

Tyson could win this early or mid-rounds, but if Wlad weathers the storm and gains any sort of advantage or momentum it becomes one-sided in Wlad's favour.
All in all, a 50-50 fight.

I'd actually give Wlad the slight edge over Lewis.

 

A better animal, but still the same animal.

The best punchers, will find a way to get to him!

 

Opinion on Tokyo Douglass vs Wlad on his best night. Gotta
give the edge in jab to Buster although Wlads was more powerful.