Wladimir vs Chagaev: What are the Chagaev chances?

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  1. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i do think wlad has a stronger chin, but its not by much imo
     
  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    The only way for this fight to be entertaining is for Klitschko to lose according to many people here. Why is that?

    I think Chagaev is more confident than Ibragimov was and I think he is coming to win not just lean back so he won't get hurt.

    I am going to give this fight a chance I think it has the chance to be a good fight.

    A lot is on the line and BOTH fighters know it.
     
  3. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    :patsch

    Hey, pin head, did I say that or are you just assuming that I'd want Waldo to lose?? :lol:

    Entertaining would be if Klitschko walked through Chagaev ala Lewis - Golota, but that just isn't going to happen.

    Wlad will lay behind his jab and just pick away in his usual safety first, tentative manner. Only when an inactive Chagaev is dead on his feet will Wlad finally let his hands go.
     
  4. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Don't see 0% as a choice, so I didn't vote.
     
  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is no option for zero, so I picked about 10%.
    Chagaev has nothing to win this fight with he's small, slow, no power. Yeah, he supposedly has a good chin, that just means he'll get beaten up longer.
     
  6. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    chagaev should thank david haye, one sick guy repleacing another one, nice job wlad.
     
  7. MemoCan

    MemoCan *****49ers Express***** Full Member

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    :lol::good
     
  8. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    If it were not for Chagaev's good chin, this fight would be over in 4 rounds..... says it all.....
     
  9. Punisher33

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    :patsch FightingWeight could use this qoute I think. Come on Rico, Wlads been down more times than Lance Bass at an all you can eat dick buffet. I'm not saying Haye has a good chin, but if anything it's comparable to Wlad's.
     
  10. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I picked 30%. I hope it's televised in the U.S.A.
     
  11. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    he didnt' fail his medical. he's 100% healthy. he was caught on a technicality because the fight was in Finland and Finland has particular rules.
    Technically Valero isn't cleared to fight in the US at ALL...but you ask any of his opponents if he wasn't 100% in their fights.
     
  12. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Haye has a horrible Chin. He has been knocked down by former Super Middleweights for christ sakes. In that fight Haye tackled the guy so he would not get KOed. It was pathetic. Do you think for one second that Haye would have got up once much less four times against Sanders? I don't.

    I am not saying Wlad has a granite Chin. I am saying compared to David Haye he has a very good Chin.
     
  13. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, and Wlad lost in the same fashion against Purrity when was he was Haye's age. Purrity has nearly as many losses as he does wins, and was a club fighter for christ sakes.

    Wlad has been knocked down twice as much as Haye, and TKO'd 2 more times than Haye. At least Haye fights back when he's hurt, Wlad falls several times, panics, or holds for dear life after he gets hit with a decent punch. If anything Wlad and Haye's chin are comparable.
     
  14. Kampioni

    Kampioni Good Boy Full Member

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    I'd say a 30% chance. You know what if he caught Wlad with some hard flush shots to the chin? and chagaev is known for going in the inside
     
  15. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    I don't give Chagaev a big chance at all. He isnt a fresh fighter imo. You're body can only take so much abuse. Infections, ACL tears, blind in 1 eye....**** i mean wlad better beat him and do it in style. 2 fights against C level opposition since april 07. he can't be sharp.

    Chagaev is solid but he doesn't do 1 thing better than wlad. Better chin and head movement..and that's it imo.

    He is more aggressive and slower than Iggy so I doubt it will turn into another slapfest :gayfight

    I will be pretty disappointed if Wlad doesn't take this guy apart an stop him. This is a legacy fight for Wlad and he needs to make a statement to his haters so they can STFU.

    10% chance at best for Chagaev which is 5% more than I have the goofball in my avatar :yep

    I don't think Chagaev ever had a really solid chance against Wlad. He's not a pressure fighter. Like you said, one has to control distance and set the tempo of the fight to have a legit chance. He will not pressure Wlad too much allowing Wlad to control distance/activity pretty easily.

    Even against Valuev at his best, he was countering the big oaf at will. That's how he was scoring. I had it 115-112 Chagaev i believe, closer than it should have been really had Chagaev been a bit more busy. I think Chagaev's lack of a power right hand is going to be telling in this fight as well.

    I think he have trouble like Iggy countering Wlad who is super quick on his feet for a man his size and far stronger than Chagaev.

    IMO, Chagaev is gonna have to commit to the body and take a lot of punches to take the fight late. He has to get Wlad tired and when he makes a mistake, land something meaningful. But i think Chagaev's stamina is bigger question at this point given the activity and quality of opponents comparison