i too believe chageav too is the most dangerous future threat for wladimir. he handled valuev well considering the size difference, and wlad is smaller. BUT i do feel chageav has never been hit by something as hard as what wladimir brings to the table and more importantly as often. sure chageav might have taken one or two hard punches similar to a wladimir punch but what will happen when the highly accurate, fast and hardest punches start to land multiple times a round? that will be a true test of chageav's chin. not to mention wladimir has the footwork speed of someone a lot smaller so chag might get bewildered and stopped due to all those facts plus size difference. but i do give chag move of a chance than anyone else in the division that's for sure :thumbsup
62!!! I got bored counting once the lunge in, grab Peter and lean on him tactic hit 91!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iecZ7Z1I0no
for instance there were over 100 clinches in Valuev-Ruiz (with 70+ initiated by Valuev) and i think around 1000 clinches in Hatton-Urango (all started by Hatton)
Peter doesn't have pop, he has concussive power, like a heavy punch rather than that bang bang bang style.
chagaev fought against virchis who is probably the hardest hitting man in the division. i think that chagaev himself has a big bang and when it lands on wladis chin its BYE BYE.
barneyrub that's pure bias. seriously i know you dont like klitschko much but seriously 90 plus clinches. bull**** i watched it and wrote thread recently about it since some reckon it was in the range of 90 to 100+. 62 was WLADIMIR'S clinches. 1. peter clinches. but they were all wladimir's weren't they? :-( 2. a pawing jab hand from wlad which hooked around peter's head but didn't prevent peter from doing anyhting. in fact that put peter right in the pocket and peter did **** all. not a ****ing clinch. 3. half hearted attempt which peter ducked. not a clinch. 4. peter caused a large number of these clinches by his strong desire to suck wladimir's nipples rather than stopping himself from falling in. peter could have stepped in and done some inside work but chose to do a lunge and fall in tactic forcing wladimir to clinch. seriously if you counted every little thing that was merely looked like it could have been the BEGINNING of an aborted clinch then the hate has just blinded you im sorry. if he clinched that much then what does that make fighters like mayweather, hopkins, lewis etc look like? so your saying these great fighters are similar to john ruiz? in my thread about this, i put up the clinchs PER ROUND. i'd be interested to see your stats per round. :deal
There are at least 91 on that video condensed into a compilation. Look at wlad lunge in to lean down on him and peter having to push him off and the ref even warning peter for doing so lol, particularly in the rounds where wlad was panicing and ended up on the canvas.
You can't even read English... Beating Wlad thrusts the fighter to the top where BIG money can be made on OLD and FADED Holy... There's no point in taking money for surrender IF you can win... Anyway, this case is hopeless :-(
Now I understand, Wlad only wins because he bribes the opposing fighters..............................:yep :rofl You're a certified nutjob!
Yeah right, just like Peter was going to KO Wlad in the first round, or Brock was going to, or Byrd, yes, some people actually thought Byrd would KO Wlad. Austin, Brewster, etc.
Great points. 62 clinches divided by 12 rounds = 5.167 clinches per ound. I think it's fair to say that amount of clinching vs. a power puncher isn't out of line.
yall gotta watch closely when watching peter fight. Technically he doesnt look impressive...but you have to pay attention to how smart he is with the little things.... What i like about sam...he takes EVERY oppurtunity to punch when you dont expect him to punch....say for instance...when he's in a clinch..he looks at the fighter and waits for him to look away and he throws hard punches DURING the clinch or just when you're breaking.....its very sneaky but very smart because most fighters don't expect a power punch comming during this situation. He's very good and throwing haymakers at the right time lol...that's why he's so dangerous
thank you! i think he will go down again when he faces a top man like chagaev or peter but that will show us how he can handle it. i would like to see klitschko dominate the division but not by beating dead men.
So you are saying you like peter because he punches on a break? first of all the ref's instructions clearly say "when I say Break stop punching and step back" and when the other fighter looks away he punches them? where right in the back of the head? again illegal so you are impressed by his ability to cheat?