Wlad's amazing defense vs Ibragimov. Photos, and explanations.

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Boxing fans can by hypocritical. When Mayweather or Wright makes their man miss, fans praise their defense. So how come Wlad doesn't get credit for making a fast handed southpaw miss as often as he did?

    Wlad's defense is not just built upon being tall. Let's look at the photos.


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    ^^^ Wlad keeps his left hand inside of Sultan's right, then leans back and to his right...Sultan can't land the punch.


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    ^^^ After Wlad lands a left, note how his his right hand covers his chin



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    ^^^ Wald is in perfect distance here, and is ready to block Sultan's left to the body or chin with his huge arms. Note, the elbow blocks the ribs, and the glove blocks the chin. Only fighters with long arms and the right technique can pull this type of defense off.


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    ^^^ Once again, Wlad left is inside of Sultan's right In additon Wlad keeps his left foot in front of Sultan's right lead foot, preventing him from moving. In additon Wlad right glove and forearm protects his head. Once again, this is text book stuff.
     
  2. RonnieHornschuh

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    good analysis. wlad has become much better defensively. not always spectacular but very effective. i mean the man regarded as 2nd or 3rd best boxer in the world only won 1.5 rounds against waldo.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    The pity of it is, boxing has very few technical analysis people behind the mike.

    If fans in general knew a bit more about the other side of the sweet science, they would understand Wald has a very good defense that is built around him being fleet a foot, flexible, and technically oriented before and after he throws a punch. Oh, he can execute a clinch with speed and power as well as anyone I’ve seen, but did not need to clinch much at all in this fight. Being tall and having long/huge arms is a bonus. The bottom line is this. Wlad is hard to hit from the outside. Wlad forces the other guy to fight on his terms.
     
  4. Duende

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    I agree but there are also some photo's where Ibragimov is attacking and Wlad's arms are all over the place. He tends to panic a bit sometimes and I hope he can get rid of that habit.

    I'm a Wlad fan and I'm happy he unified but the sole fact he threw only a few right hands in the whole damn fight made it frustrating to watch the fight. It's about confidence and Manny needs to work with him on that.
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I have no problem with good defensive boxing. The problem with Wlad in that fight was his overly cautious approach. You mentioned Mayweather. While he is a relavtively cautious fighter with great defense, I've never seen him as timid as Wlad was in that fight. Look at his fight against Judah(a lefty with very fast hands and good power). He got hit with a couple of good counter shots in that fight yet he kept attacking. Judah gave him oppportunities to attack and he did.

    In the Klitscho fight, Sultan gave Wlad numerous opportunities to attack and he seemed unwilling to take advantage. There were times when Sultan would come in with wide punches, which got him off balance and left him open for counters. Wlad rarely tried to take adavantage. The double jab, followed by the straight right seemed to work on Sultan. However, Wlad rarely even tried this combo, even when Sultan was trapped against the ropes or in the corner. When Wlad was knocking down that jab, Sultan was open for counters. Wlad rarely captialized. When he did, he was successful.

    All in all, this was a strange performance by Wlad. Wlad had a huge size, reach, and skill advantage over Sultan. Sultan gave him ample opportunities to inflict damage upon him. Finally, Sultan never landed one meaningful punch on Wlad. Given all of this, it was quite puzzling that Wlad was content to just sit back and jab all night. Wlad is not a small WW. He's a huge HW with the power to KO any fighter on the planet. He was going against a guy who was totally overmatched and posed very little threat offensively. There's no way he should have been as cautious as he was in that fight.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    I did not see those photo's. My point here was to show why Wlad is good on defense.

    Wlad was robbed of a knockdown, and hit Iggy hard a few times. While it wasn't enough, I think Iggy has a pretty good chin, and did not want to run into Wlad's power. He wanted to coutner, and could not due to Wlad's defense in general. The first half of the fight was boring. The second half was average with some moments in it.
     
  7. Bummy Davis

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    Double standard in boxing, Vlad has improved in alot of area's no need to be reckless, Sultan should have taken more chances he was way behind
     
  8. barneyrub

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    You had a guy behind the microphone who always talks about loving the sweet science and who was often critisised for indulging in the art of hitting and not getting hit, even he, Lennox Lewis was aghast at the non punching of Wlad and said he would be looking to throw certain other punches by then. Its not that those watching didnt appreciate sweet science of boxing, Wlad didnt employ much of the HITTING part of the equation and concentrated in anxiety on not getting hit!
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Sultan is a skilled / fast handed southpaw counter puncher, and those types land on orthodox fighters who miss. Sultan has made a career out of it.

    Sultan was waiting to counter Wlad's right.. Wlad did not let him. In addition, Sultan was defensive and crouched low / leaned back often. Sultan had his plan. Wlad was too smart to give him that chance. This clash of styles and strategy made disappointing fans type of fight.

    While the fight itself was disappointing ( the second half was better ) there was some high level ring generalship and defense on Wlad's part, and as such I think deserves credit. To do this vs a southpaw is not easy.

    PS: Mayweather had to switch it up vs Judah, because at one point things were not going his way and he migh thave been down on points. Wlad had no such issues.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    First, Iggy did not risk enough to win, and I blame him more so than Wlad for the fight we got. Fans of Ibragimov need to admit this. If Iggy pressed it a bit more, fans get a knockout.

    Secondly guys like Kellerman felt Wlad was winning a shut out on the cards. Kellerman doesn't know how to score a fight. Leiws is much better on the mike, but his ego still gets in the way of objective analysis. When Kellerman or Lampley brought up some of Lewis’ so-so outings Lewis “ definitely “ became more critical of Wlad to make himself look better.

    Boxing does not have a chalk board drawing to explain what is going on the way I did here, and none of the three men on the Mike noticed what Wlad or Ibragimov's tactics were.

    Can we talk about the defense here? Wlad showed plenty of it. That was my point.
     
  11. BigReg

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    Mayweather was pretty aggessive the whole fight. It's not like he was sitting back and getting countered, then decided to be aggressive. Look, if your happy with 6 "6 240 lb. guy fighting like Paulie Malignaggi, that's on you. I, like Manny Steward, the HBO crew and the entire pro Wlad crowd, felt that Wlad was too cautious. He pretty much did nothing besides throw single jabs the entire fight.
     
  12. DamonD

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    Even with the paltry amount of power punches he was throwing (although twice that of Wlad), Sultan was able to land 45% of those.
    It was only his lousy jabbing that dropped his overall accuracy so low, mainly due to him hopefully throwing it even when Wlad was way out of range.

    Wlad has good defence, but this would not be the fight I'd use to show it, not even top 5.

    When someone throws so little, they land even less, and that was the case with Sultan.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Land where? On Wlad's Arms, shoulders or gloves? Wlad was hardly hit flush to the head or body in this fight because he had top defense. Can you show me any hard shot to the head that Wlad took in 12 rounds? Maybe one or two. That is it! The 45% punch stat number tells us nothing by itself.

    Wlad made a fast handed Ibragimov fan the crowd on several occasions.
     
  14. barneyrub

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    I always get the impression Lewis gives Wlad too much credit, Lewis has said before that he favours Wlad because of him having his old trainer, he also defends Wlads chin when everyone else says its glass.
     
  15. ChrisPontius

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    45%?? I don't know what those CompuBox guys were watching, but no way did Sultan land 45% of his power punches. Almost all of them missed when Wlad stepped back or used his shoulders/arms to block them.

    I can't remember more than two or three headshots landing clean. Bodyshots weren't that regularly landed, either.


    Well it's very hard to get your punches off against a tall opponent with very fast hands and feet who keeps a gap between you two, and in addition, can take your head off with a counter. Pity he didn't try that! He knocked the durable Schulz down with a counter 1-2. I'm interested in seeing if Povetkin can sustain his workrate against Wlad.