Wlad's Excuses For His Ko Loss To Brewster

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You can guess away as much as you like.I never specifically referred to either of the Ali v Liston fights.Farrell, like yourself can say what he likes it doesn't make it so. Since Liston lost both fights,I don't see how they ,"were fixed on Liston's behalf".
     
  2. SambaKing

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    Because Liston was told to lose to people around him. Ali most likely wasn't in on it, but he wasn't stupid, he knew especially in the 2nd fight, hence why he was so outraged at Liston going down so easily.

    A lot of Dirty money was placed on Ali at 8/1 and large amounts were also placed on the rematch when he was the slight underdog. Liston had no choice when he was surrounded with these nefarious characters.

    Farrell and others have no reason to lie.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    There was no significant fluctuation in the betting. I think Liston could have continued in both fights my problem with your earlier post is the term thousands.
     
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    yeh u were saying number 1hsh atg ali NOT GASSING against atg frazier was the same as weak h2h wlad gassing in a singular round suddenly against a journeyman.

    I dont believe you are still trying to defend yourself.
     
  5. SambaKing

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    You are extremely naive if you think there hasn't been over a thousand fixed fights in over 100 years of boxing history.
     
  6. HerolGee

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    what eye test? liston not being ableto get near ali? thats the same eyetest you get with most of prime alis fights.

    shouldda gone to specsavers
     
  7. SambaKing

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    Cmon man, obvious dive. Why would the astute Charles Farrell lie about having knowledge from Liston's own manager that it was fixed? Not to mention all the smoke that has came from those fights.

    And no, he is not lying for money and attention - if you claim that, then you don't know the man.
     
  8. HerolGee

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    the 2nd may have been, the first one was exactly how I described it, no eye test needed.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Cynthia J. Ross is an American judge who works primarily in the state of Nevada. She has also judged bouts in Mexico and Puerto Rico.
    In 2012, Ross, along with the other judges, received wide criticism for the scoring of Manny Pacquiao vs. Timothy Bradley. In 2013, she received criticism for scoring a draw at the Mayweater vs. Canelo fight. After which, Ross announced she was "taking time off" from boxing.

    • 2011, Nov. 12 - Juan Carlos Burgos vs. Luis Cruz for the WBC Silver and WBO Latino Super Featherweight Titles - Ross was the only judge who did not score the bout heavily in favor of Burgos, instead seeing it as a draw. Scores: Duane Ford 98-92, C.J. Ross 95-95, Richard Ocasio 97-93.
    • 2011, Aug. 13 - Joseph Agbeko vs. Abner Mares (1st meeting) for the WBC Silver and IBF Bantamweight Titles. Ross was the only judge not scoring Mares as the winner, instead seeing that bout as a draw. Scores: Adalaide Byrd 111-115, C.J. Ross 113-113, Oren Shellenberger 111-115.
    • 2011, July 23 - Josiah Judah vs. Rafael Jastrzebski - Ross was the only judge not scoring in favor of Judah. She instead had the bout a draw. Scores: Richard Ocasio 59-55, Jerry Roth 58-56, C.J. Ross 57-57.
    • 2011, May 7 - Rodel Mayol vs. Javier Gallo - Ross was the only judge not scoring the bout handily in favor of Mayol, insteading seeing it as a draw. Scores: Jerry Roth 98-92, Lisa Giampa 98-92, C.J. Ross 95-95.
    • 2008, Feb. 7 - Kendall Holt vs. Ben Tackie - Ross was the only judge who did not score the bout handily in favor of Holt, instead scoring the bout as a draw. Scores: Richard Houck 98-92, Paul Smith 98-92, C.J. Ross 95-95.
    • 2005, June 10 - Gerardo Cesar Prieto vs. Lamar Horne - Ross was the only judge who did not score the bout in favor of Prieto. Scores: Bill Graham 57-56, Al Lefkowitz 57-56, C.J. Ross 56-57.
    • 2002, July 13 - Kevin Kelley vs. Humberto Soto for the NABA Super Featherweight Title. Ross was the only judge not scoring the bout in favor of Kelley, instead having it as a draw. Scores: Carol Castellano 116-112, Paul Smith 115-113, C.J. Ross 114-114.
    Ross is/was incompetent.

    Yeah I'm naïve , now can we get back to the thread?
     
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  10. SambaKing

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    No, she is bought and paid for. No one is that incompetent.

    Funny enough, Bradley Pac was probably fixed, as explained perfectly by Mr Farrell.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You're very free with the libellous remarks.Especially as you haven't produced a shred of evidence.
    Now can we concentrate on the thread please?
     
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  12. Cecil

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    Well for whatever reason I believe Sonny did lay down in the second fight.
    The first fight all I remember is Sonny trying to catch up with Ali and trying to tear his head off.
    A strange way to throw a fight.
     
  13. UFC2015

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    Poor conditioning, gassed too quickly

    Sent from my SM-G925W8 using Tapatalk
     
  14. Bokaj

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    Ok
    Ok, so you read, but just didn't understand what you read.
     
  15. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    congrats you've reached the 2nd stage of internet trolling by deciding I'm not ignoring your post, but have read then and am simply too stupid to understand you.

    Proceed to the third stage next time by deciding I am actually of evil intent and finally follow it by 4th stage by comparing me to the nazis.

    or, just accept that wlad gassing in a particular round and getting kfo is not the same as frazier decisioning ali.
     
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