Woman whips Dempsey

She was lovely piece of work.

 

This is a damned dirty lie! She was black, and he ducked her. Fact.

 

John Wayne was pretty outspoken and expressed his view on politics and social issues and commented on history and the indians, etc. ...

"I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. ... I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from the Indians. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."

John Wayne, 1971, Playboy Interview ***

Everyone's entitled to the view and I'm sure many agree with Wayne. It's hard to give Wayne a pass for the films he chose to make which might have de-humanized the Indians, in light of such statements. He was an intelligent man with political views and I think those films suited his outlook.

*** (* interestingly, Playboy Interviews of the 1970s are brilliantly controversial. Worth checking out Muhammad Ali's 1975 Playboy interview where he espouses controversial views and makes some fairly incendiary statements, that can really be described as grossly ignorant and bigoted) .

 

You know what man? That is bull**** and expected of you. You must be Jess Willards great niece the way you always disparage Dempsey. Every bad rumor about him you bring up. Youre human garbage. Nothing more you little

 

Mark everyone here knows YOU are the one continually beat up by girls. Stabbed in the nuts. Raped. Stop saying "my friend."

 

On January 24, it was reported that a week prior, Annie Livingston gave John L a black eye that was still present. He was in Behan's Saloon on Harrison Avenue. His friends were trying to get him to go to another establishment, where they could keep him from whisky, but he would not heed the advice. They went and got Annie Livingston, and she came. "John come with me. You are not doing right." He sneered at her and turned to the bar for more drink. Then she grabbed his coat lapels and said, "John if you ever cared for me, I want you to listen to my advice and leave the place with me at once." He replied "Leave go" she tried to pull him towards the door, and he became savage and made a motion as if to strike her. Quick as a flash she fired a right into his eye. "He has taught her how to spar, and she knows more than a good many noted sports do about the art of self defense." Sullivan fell back against the bar. She held her ground. "She has a temper when aroused, second not even to Sullivan." The giant looked surprised as he gazed at her. then he started laughing and shook her hand. "You have done what no man here could have done." He ordered another round of drinks. A few minutes later he left with her.

Evening World January 24 1889

To clarify, Annie Livingston was Sullivan's mistress, and she is referenced repeatedly in contemporary accounts. She sounds like a bit of a firecracker!

 

Check out a book called Empire of the Summer Moon to get a bit of perspective about Native Americans and the “old west”. The brave honourable savage didn’t really exist nor was there anything romantic about the frontier back then. It was a tough brutal place pioneered by tough, brutal practical people (including the native Americans). John Wayne movies were hokey fairytales by comparison.

They were a product of their times also. They did good numbers, Wayne was a mega mega star, and they by and large had good values so I don’t get why he’s castigated for acting in them.

 

How old are you?

 

I think Duran once punched the mother of a guy he had beaten. Edwin Viruet ?

 

As far as I can tell yes!