Won title 1rd ko/lost title 1rd ko same yr

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  1. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I done things fast -I won my title by a ko in the first rd,and soon after I lost my title also by a first rd ko.? Who am I ?
     
  2. Rasch

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    Al Singer :bbb
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    R,and you kod me in the first round. Yes Al Singer kod Sammy Mandell in 1rd in 1930 winning the lightweight title. ? Shortly after singer was kod in the 1st rd by Tony Canzoneri,in 1930, losing HIS title.:hi:
     
  4. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sammy Mandell isn't mentioned much nowadays but he must've been some fighter. He holds wins over Canzoneri, McLarnin, Sid Terris,Rocky Kansas, Billy Petreolle and Jackie Fields.

    That is some resume and I can't help but think that the manner in which he lost his title is why he isn't rated that highly today.

    An interesting thing I read about Mandell is that at one stage he was trained by Jack Blackburn before Joe Louis came along which is something I'd never heard about in regards to Blackburn before.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes Sammy Mandell was a great boxer.He beat a group of lightweights, that would be champs today.The 1930 lightweights were a great talented bunch, for sure.
    Yep Jack Blackburn was also the trainer of Sammy Mandell and Bud Taylor,besides mentor to the great Joe Louis...
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From what I've seen Mandell wasn't necessarily a special talent, atleast not in comparison to some of the men he beat. He was just very good at forcing everyone to fight his fight, which was not necessarily pretty but highly effective. He was fairly quick with his hands, mobile with his feet, controlled opponents with his jab and prevented them from fighting at close range by clinching. Some might call him a spoiler.

    Obviously he didn't just spoil but outpointed his opponents convincingly enough to win the decisions.
     
  7. burt bienstock

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    GA ,maybe not a puncher,but he had the "talent" to beat a slew of terrific lightweights of his time. Much like the later Sammy Angott who was not "pretty" to watch, but was SO difficult to beat...Of course Mandell and Angott had opposite styles...
     
  8. TheGreatA

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    They did although their basic objective remained the same, take the opponent out of his comfort zone and make it a messy affair. Angott was more of an infighting mauler while Mandell would utilize a lot of footwork and jab away.

    Mandell had some fast hands and feet, it's just that in comparison to McLarnin and Canzoneri, both of whom he beat, he did not look special talent-wise. Not that he needed to since he had wins over the two. I think a more seasoned and composed Canzoneri beats him though.