Woohooo! Khan Beat Judah! Now lets talk about his flaws as a fighter.

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    ESB - "Khan dominated Judah!"

    MW - "Well if you know anything about boxing you should have expected that"

    ESB - "Buh buh nobody beat Judah like that before, and Zab was in the best shape of his life, ask his trainers, and he beat Mabuza!"

    MW - "Muh huh what about Kosta Tszyu?"

    ESB - "Zab won the first round!"

    MW - ":nut"



    Now that thats over with. Lets talk about Khans still readily apparent flaws.


    1. Still reaches with his punches. Zab cant exploit this because he has no ability to block punches with anything but his face. And besides the counter left, he really is a weak counter puncher in every other facet.


    2. Doesnt sit on his punches. The last time I saw Amir Khan truly sit down on his punches was against Maidana and it was to devastating effect. This is my one beef with Roach. He has Pacquiao and Khan hopping around too much. When Pacman sits down on his punches, Hatton happens, or Magarito's busted face happens. Yeah he can still tear a fighter up regardless, but Khan isnt on the talent level. And as we saw in the Maidana fight, his shoe shining cost him later when Maidana was just walking through his punches landing at will.

    3. Economy of movement. Too much of Khans defense is predicated on said hopping around. Still dont see any evidence that he is able to block punches with his gloves. Look at how Mayweather gets in position to throw punches, and then look at Khan. Its so frenetic. In the end one day he's not going to be prepared for the same shot that Maidana hit him with.

    4. Punching technique. This kinda goes with the sitting on his punches thing. Khans overall punching technique is awful. Yes he can hit you from a variety of angles, but his technique is still amateurish and still heavily influenced by the style Roach wants out of him. Khan flings punches at his opponent. AGainst a guy like Judah who's only defense is to lean back and duck down it looks great. AGainst a real fighter he could get found out again. Khans connect percentage vs Judah was laughable.


    Again alot of this is what Roach wants from Khan. Clearly he wants a Pacquiao clone. So how much of this is actually ever going to be corrected we'll have to see.
     
  2. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with some of your criticsms of Khans technique and style. But what you're asking for is that every boxer needs to fight at the pure scientific level of Mayweather to compete at that level, and that's BS.

    Don't get me wrong, I still dont think Khan has what it takes to come close to Mayweather, but you should realise, Khan fights with his style, which you may consider ameturish and poor technichally - but it works for him. Even pacman throws some crazy unorthodox **** with wierd balance and angles, but it works for him. That's why the Mayweathers can't understand why a guy like Pacman is so successful with the way he fights when it's so wrong in so many ways.

    Now Khan isnt as talented or as exciting as Pacman, but he does a lot of things similar, with his speed and (unbalanced) movement.

    Also, who else can he fight that will exploit his flaws. For me the only guys who could maybe expose the flaws khan makes are
    1. Gurrero
    2. Bradley

    and at 147
    1. Mayweather
    2. Others who may be able to take a punch and land more on him?

    That's not bad, considering he's not top 10 p4p yet.

    Having said that, I do agree he could become top 5 p4p if he removes some of his flaws and improves on those areas you mentioned. One thing he will never have what flloyd has is natural ring intelligence and the ability to adapt and make adjustments mid fight. Although his heart might be bigger and his ability to walk through a storm to get where he wants to might allow him to rise to another level mid fight when faced with adversity.

    We will have to wait and see who at 140 will challenge him
     
  3. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    :deal

    There are more factors involved in being successful at any sport than just being technically proficient. For example, in tennis, you can't be more technically flawed and inefficient than Rafael Nadal, but he's beaten more times than lost to Roger Federer, the most technically correct and greatest tennis player of all time.

    Khan is extremely fast and has long range and reminds me alot of a young De La Hoya. He's not perfect, but few are or close to it. I think it's idiotic to only be a fan of one boxing style when plenty of styles have had success. Floyd is great not only because he is technically proficient, but he has speed and great reflexes. If he didn't have those physical attributes, he'd just be a younger version of Floyd Sr. and Roger Mayweather.
     
  4. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    If we expected Khan to dominate Judah that thoroughly, then you must hold Khan in the same regard as a Floyd Mayweather. BTW, Khan dominated Judah in much better fashion than Mayweather did. Mayweather had just turned the tide and started winning rounds against Judah in the 5th... Khan stopped him there after a thorough domination.

    I personally felt that Khan would win, but I thought Judah was going to give him problems along the way. Khan did much better than I expected.
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    :patsch:lol:


    Stylistically Khan matches up better with Judah then Mayweather. Not taking into account that Judah is probably past his best days.


    Same way stylistically Maidana doesnt have Mayweather running around the ring trying to survive.


    It was clear that Khan was going to dominate this fight. Literally a 5 second spin around in my brain and I already saw how this fight was going to go.
     
  6. MrMagic

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    So you managed to pick a heavy favorite to beat Zab Judah of all boxers?

    Congratulations, well done sir. :lol:
     
  7. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Read the thread dumb dumb.


    Nobody is asking Khan to be Mayweather. We are asking Khan to sit down on his punches, not reach with his punches, and utilize a more economical approach in the ring where he isnt getting chased out of the ring by a crude fighter like Maidana. :patsch


    Oh and please, Khan and De La Hoya are nothing alike. Oscar at this stage in his career was far and away superior, because among other things he actually sat down on his punches, and didnt fling punches at his opponent.
     
  8. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Michigan Warrior is talking to himself again:-(
     
  9. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Khan's a good fighter, maybe the best at 140 right now. He doesn't look to me anywhere near as badass as a young ODLH, KT or Cotto at the weight, but he's damn good.
     
  10. Ilesey

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    :lol:

    My next door neighbour is a massive ****.
     
  11. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Maidana already exposed his flaws.



    However I do consider him the best fighter at 140.
     
  12. hussleman

    hussleman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Judah of 2006 when he fought Floyd have been more dangerous.
     
  13. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    I didn't say Khan was De La Hoya either. They do have similarities in body type and hand speed.

    Even Oscar says Khan reminds him of his younger self.
     
  14. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Says the guy who said Zab had an excellent chance against Khan.

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  15. MrMagic

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    Nobody is doubting that, but Judah also never won a fight of this magnitude, and Khan simply is the better boxer fundamentally, and matches up well with him stylistically.

    Khan would've white-washed any version of Judah, and that's not to take away from Floyd, as everyone with the slightest intellect knows Floyd would of smoked Maidanas boots any day of the week.