Woohooo! Khan Beat Judah! Now lets talk about his flaws as a fighter.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MichiganWarrior, Jul 24, 2011.


  1. One Bomb

    One Bomb mantis style Full Member

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    Yeah I'm a Khan fan but I agree with some of your points, especially the part about him reaching with his shots and throwing from out of position. I thought he was gonna cut that out against Zab and be more cautious in case he caught one of those big uppercuts on the way in, but Zab only threw it once I think. I thought Zab would be able to exploit that tendency but he's declined way more than I thought.

    Regardless, if he's sloppy like that against a truly elite counterpuncher they'll make him pay for it.

    As for planting his feet when he punches, well he's never really done that throughout his career. You rarely see him get low and wind up big shots, but yeah, it'd be nice if he did it a little more.

    The thing with Khan is that he is improving every fight and has a shitload of time to iron out the kinks in his game. Right now he's beating top 10 ranked guys pretty easily while still making tons of mistakes in the process. If he keeps improving at the rate he has been, and keeps challenging himself against the best fighters he can, then there's a chance he could get to the very top of the sport, even if he gets beaten once or twice along the way.
     
  2. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Judah didn't win a fight in 2006.:lol: He was coming off a loss to Baldomir when he fought Floyd.

    Judah was NEVER more dangerous at 147 lbs. Judah is meant to fight at 140 and was always too undersized to fight at 147. No 147 version of Judah is more dangerous than the 140 lb Judah that we just saw. That period of time at 147 was the worst of his career by far.
     
  3. Uncle Rico

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    In response to your points:

    Reaching with punches
    If anyone was to exploit this, it would have been Zab. He thrives off people over-committing and smacking them in the mouth with the left hand he has waiting. Yes Khan does over-reach (kept it to a minimum last night, though) and I’ve been a strong critic of it in the past, but you have to ask yourself, if it’s that much of a flaw, why hasn’t anyone exploited it yet? He’s faced two elusive counterpunchers back-to-back, and none of them were able to make him pay for it. Why? Because he doesn’t make it easy for them to do so. When he over-extends with that initial punch, he already has 3 or 4 more coming their way. He closes the distance and mauls them before they even get a chance to capitalize on it. It may look like he’s making an initial mistakes, but what he follows it up with, keeps him out of harm’s way. Unless he’s fighting a guy with the combined counterpunching ability and power of Pac and May, this won’t be that much of problem. But I do agree, considering his weak punch resistence, he needs to be careful not to do this too much.

    Sitting on punches:
    Khan’s main vulnerability is his chin. He can’t really afford to sit down on punches and become more of a stationary target for the opponent to hit. Last time he sat properly and put too much emphasis on power, he got knocked the **** out in under 54 seconds. Boxing and moving is Khan’s game. He’s good at it.

    Movement:
    You’re expecting too much from him if you want him to be like Mayweather. I agree Khan’s defence does rely too much on movement, but much like the over-reaching, he kept this to a minimum yesterday. I thought his movement was good. Not wasteful of energy. It’ll become a different ball game when he’s up against a stalker again, so we’ll have to wait and see what happens then.

    Punching technique.
    I don’t understand how it can be awful if it works well for him. Pacquiao’s punching technique is amateurish and bizarre too, but guess what, it works well for him. People complaining about this are being way too picky. If something is successful and is winning him fights, how can you be a critic of it? Not everything has to be technical and textbook for it to be considered good.

    So overall, I do understand your points and where you’re coming from, but the flaws that you and others are picking out, are flaws which only a select few in the game will be able to exploit. Namely Pacquiao and Mayweather – two ATGs that are at the top of their game. So to continuously bash him for that, is a bit too harsh, in my opinion.
     
  4. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I expected Zab to catch way more punches than he threw and to get marked up. I DIDN'T expect him to go totally defensive, stop jabbing, and stop trying to land that left uppercut. I'm one of those guys who thought we were going to see a real fight. Zab just didn't show up.
     
  5. Smacked

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    Well maybe tremblin timmy can step up and exploit all these flaws, or maybe tim will just end up being another overhyped ameribum

    How about zab and tim getting together and having a discussion about where their balls are at LOL, zabs are on his belly button and tims are in his shoe hiding out
     
  6. Coldhearted

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    Brilliant response Rico, although MW does have point too, I guess if it Khan's really good at what he does then he just makes it all the more difficult to exploit.
     
  7. Uncle Rico

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    Thanks man :good.

    All week I was reading how Khan is so badly technically-flawed, he's just an average fighter with limited skills, he's amateurish, Judah will be the most skilful opponent he'd have faced, etc.

    Good to see people changing their mind after last night.
     
  8. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    are you serious? he actually had snap in his punches back then. how many fights of his have you seen?
     
  9. motorcity

    motorcity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's the way he beat Judah. He dominated from start to finish brutally and no one has never done that. Judah was boxing Kostya well in the first round and got caught in the second. Zab did better than most against Mayweather and Floyd broke him down but did not brutalize him the way Khan did. Judah even was competitive with Cotto and Clottey. Judah wasn't shot. He's still the same fighter he's always been and he never was anything too special but he was fast and is still fast. Khan made Judah look like a C fighter.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    his punches lack sharpness and so does his reaction time.
     
  11. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    With regard to "reaching with punches". I see your point, he "swarms" his opponent with lunging and rapid combinations. He has a lot of forward momentum and that coupled with his fast handspeed makes these attacks hard to defend, let alone counter. In Dwyer's terminology (I know, I know), he's an "ambush fighter".


    Question. What would Mayweather do to counter those awkward running-start ambush attacks? Would he hold his ground and fire counters or would he get defensive?
     
  12. rjko23

    rjko23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    your ignorance is impressive. khan won nearly every single exchange against a renound fast starter. he beat him so convincingly judah quit after 5 rounds, but still you manage to make khan sound like a club fighter! great, really great!
     
  13. Uncle Rico

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    Hmm :think

    Maybe punch with him, as oppose to after him? Mayweather may no longer throw combinations, but he's good enough to see everything in slow motion to slot an uppercut/check-hook in whilst Khan has launched forward. JMM is another guy that would be good enough to exploit this. Against Pacquiao, his counters were achieved by punching with him whenever he [Pacquiao] would attack.
     
  14. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather would turn khan with excellent footwork? And if khan gets over agressIve I see him eating hard single shots, like hatton.

    He would slow down khans output which is seems very inaccurate anyway.

    If khan can show more improvement is his next few fights and floyd declines a bit with his speed and reflexes, the fight will be very close.
     
  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'm not sure it's this simple mw.

    As well as khan's technicalities you have to consider his physicalities.

    Ok he's proven he can take a shot now, but that chin will always be a concern, not for a shot out cold, but for a big powerful combo that khan can't handle. So to avoid being in a sluggin match he tends to fight at range rather than block or even slip in close.

    Sitting on his punches can fall into the same category, putting more stank on his shots means he has to stay in range longer than he does using movement and fighting at range.

    Roach said himself he wants khan stepping back after his combos. Now whether was purely out of concern for judah's counter left or whether it is going to be a major part of khan's style is something that remains to be seen.

    Now imo, whilst his chin aint china, it certainly aint iron. Maidan hurt him in the tenth and a more skilled finisher would have ended him that round. His chin is still requiring extra protection than the average boxer imo meaning fighting at range will be something we see more of. I agree he burns up too much energy with all his movement and that will need stamping out, but considering the opposition at lww I don't see anyone exposing him at that division.

    Infact only floyd or ortiz would be favoured against him from 140-147 considering pac can't happen. They're still about 3 fights off so there's ample time to work on it imo.