Working on a new heavyweight chart

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I should be finished sometime next week.

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  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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  3. Muchmoore

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    Willards heart a 7 :lol:?

    I assume Vitalis will be about a 2 then
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Mendoza, as a mathematician I love ideas like this and I hope you have the patience to see it through as I would love to see the final results.

    One suggestion, your mark on height and weight, I think it should be an ability to use ranking. For instance a tall fighter being able to fight tall (example being wlad) should be viewed equally as a short fighter being able to fight short (example being frazier).

    The reason I say this is because the viewpoint that a tall fighter will be better than a short fighter seems contingent on their ability to use that asset imo.
     
  5. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    agreed, it's relevant only if utilized with skill
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I cannot wait to see where Johnson ends up :lol:
     
  7. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think you should just list the height and weight as these are things they are. It's way too much of an intangible to suggest 260 pounds is a "9.5" for one guy, when it can be a "2" for another guy. Height and weight (especially height) is something you are, not an attribute you gained via practice. I am all for the rest of it, but one man's height advantage could be a disadvantage of a guy with the same height. I guess if you are utilizing how well they use their height on a 1-10 level that's different, but still seems way too hard to calculate.
     
  8. Mendoza

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  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Power punchers can come in all shapes and sizes. For example Hearns was a string bean as welter. Arguello was thin at lightweight. Jimmy Wilde was rather thin. All of these fighters did not have low cetners of gravity but had great punching power. If you want examples of tall heavies who can hit, I would say Lewis and Wlad. Then after that Bowe and Vitali.
     
  10. Mendoza

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  11. Mendoza

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    For the most part yes, but his ring generalship for not using it would be a lower score. I hope that makes sense.
     
  12. Foreman Hook

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    yep, Quitali did quit on his quitting-stool VS a featherfisted blown-up supermiddle who was kicking his ass, pushing him onto teh backfoot And raping him in teh last half of teh fight. But boo hoo, he hurt his left-hand, so had to do a disgraceful quitjob with only 3 rounds to go. :|


    Foreman HooooooooooooooooooooK! :rasta
     
  13. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Weight is going to be an interesting call. Prime James Toney would come in as a middleweight and get 3 or less. While the current version of James Toney comes in at 250 and gets a 10?
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    A laudable task, but I really do not think this type of compartmentalization works with a sport as fluid as boxing. As pointed out before, some heavyweights use a lack of height to an advantage. Furthermore, some very tall heavies do not use this height at all and shrink down to their opponents. Also, where are the categories for understanding pace, judging distance, timing, consistency in preparation and performance... so many elements to being a good fighter.

    Fighters, especially great fighters, are much more than a sum of their parts.
     
  15. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Good point.