Working on My alltime list.

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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    With all this recent talk of lists I decided to have an attempt at my own top 100 list but Ill see if I can really take my time with it so I can at least be happy with it.

    I had a top50 list for a while but I formatted my computer a few months ago and lost it. Attempted to type out the top 40 based on memory (even though it probably needed an overhaul anyway), it was a quick go of it which took me like 10 mins...Already I can see some things I want to change but for now I leave them, at least till I get some feedback.

    This is what I came with.

    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Sam Langford
    4. Harry Greb
    5. Ezzard Charles
    6. Benny Leonard
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Willie Pep
    9. Muhammed Ali
    10. Joe Gans
    11. Joe Louis
    12. Archie Moore
    13. Sugar Ray Leonard
    14. Pernell Whitaker
    15. Carlos Monzon
    16. Jimmy Wilde
    17. Sandy Saddler
    18. Gene Tunney
    19. Marvin Hagler
    20. Barney Ross

    21. Mickey Walker
    22. Ike Williams
    23. Tony Canzoneri
    24. Bob Fitzsimmons
    25. Emile Griffith
    26. Kid Gavilan
    27. Eder Jofre
    28. Alexis Arguello
    29. Tommy Hearns
    30. Julio Cesar Chavez
    31. Charley Burley
    32. Salvador Sanchez
    33. Fighting Harada
    34. Michael Spinks
    35. Jose Napoles
    36. Carlos Ortiz
    37. Luis Manual Rodriguez
    38. Roy Jones Jr
    39. Joe Walcott
    40. Jimmy McLarin

    41. Tommy Loughran
    42. Rocky Marciano
    43. Harold Johnson
    44. Manny Pacquaio
    45. Wilfredo Gomez
    46. Ruben Olivares
    47. Jake Lamotta
    48. Terry McGovern
    49. Ted Lewis
    50. Bernard Hopkins



    Special Mention Antonio Tarver.

    Notable changes from my old list is that Ive swapped Robinson and Armstrong...I feel comfortable with that.
    I also clearly remember having Duran at #8 and Im sure Ali at #10 but I cant think who I have missed to put in front of them, so they shuffle up a spot for now.

    Really would love some input. Especially reasonings, so I can go research about yous guyses justifications on my own.

    And redrooster..Camacho and Norris are coming dont worry.

    Edit: Ill at least round out the top50...It was something like that. I know Hopkins wasnt in it but this was before he beat Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. And I think I had him in the late 40's at one stage but he got pushed out as I was finishing off the list, so he would have been in the 50-60 range anyway.

    Moved Walcott up a few spots..which brought down Marciano and Loughran.

    Ill have to think hard about the next 50 though.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 18, 2009
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    You give Tarver special mention but not Hopkins?
     
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  3. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its a joke mate...This bloke in the General posted a list a few weeks back that was a top25 alltime that was rounded out by Tarver. Suffice to say it didnt go down well and whenever a list was posted for the next week or so people would sometimes ask the silly question "No Tarver?" or "Wheres Antonio Tarver?".

    He will not be making my top100 when Im done...Im fairly certain of that.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Fair enough

    :lol:
     
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  5. True Writer

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    What evidence and reasoning do you have to base greb so high?
     
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  6. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Resume..His quality (and quantity) of opponants, longevity and dominance.
     
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  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like it a lot :good
     
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  8. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    very good list.
     
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  9. Sweet Pea

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    Good list, though I'd especialy like Walcott to be higher. He was the definition of P4P.

    Also, can everyone explain to me their Terry McGovern fixation? Not just you, but he seems to be popping up on these lists consistently, when I wouldn't even think to rate him over someone like Abe Attell.
     
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  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Good list.....

    Id personally have Chavez, Pep & Ali higher.....
    Ali was the greatest HWT that beat the best comp in HWT history....
    Pep was the best ever FWT with a record of 230-11-1, one of or thee best pure boxer, likewise with his defence.....
    Chavez mastered 3 weights, has over 100 victories & reached 87-0 at one point........

    Mayweather should be on the list & I might squeeze Morales & Barrera onto it but that isnt an arguement I would pursue, just my personal choice.
     
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  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i would definitly have mayweather, morales and barrera in it
     
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  12. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Barrera and Morales have no place in an all time top 50 list. Mayweather doesn't quite scrape into mine either. Hopkins just barely.
     
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  13. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good list although Walcott should be much higher and maybe Hagler a little lower with Walker jumping up a bit.
     
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  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Knocking out the bantamweight, featherweight and lightweight champs in under a year might have a tad something to do with it.
     
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  15. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think it was more than a year's span between Palmar and Gans, and he gave up the title without defending it after winning against Palmar.

    And the Gans fight is widely considered to be a dive (in fact McGovern was involved in a few controversial fights), therefore I don't rate it especially highly. The win over Dixon was big, but again, I don't see why McGovern's entire body of work surpasses that of a guy like Attell or even someone like Young Corbett who beat him twice.
     
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