Working on My alltime list.

Thanks for your reply Dinamita.

In answer to you "gripes"
This was an attempt at copying my old list...Im certain I had Walker around the 20 mark...He may well go up in review, he "looks" to low for me but I dont think he is to unreasonable there. So there may be a few mistakes from my old list anyway but the whole point of this exercise was to re do the whole thing.

This is an alltime p4p list and I think Wilde defines the meaning of p4p considering the weight he gave away for the bulk of his career.

Spinks is a better fighter then Roy IMO, who had a better career at lightheavyweight and a much better career at heavy. No brainer having him ahead IMO, though not by much which I think their placements within 4 spots of each other indicates.

Hagler even isnt one of my favourite fighters but I dont know I just like the look of him being that high. Its only 1 spot and both have wins over highly placed individuals in the list, so I think they are comparable in a way. I know for sure I had Ross at 20, dont think he will go much higher but I wont place him any lower..Might swap Hagler and Walker around?

RE: JCC above Burley As stated before its a work in progress..For some parts I kind of bundled guys together in a tier system like yours and then just assigned them numbers..Thats about where I had them in my old list, maybe Burley was ahead of JCC, maybe he was behind but Im fairly certain they both fell in the 25-35 range.
I do think JCC did more in the p4p sense, which is maybe why I put him there.

Now you got me thinking the H.Williams is sitting a bit low at 54...damn this is tricky.

Cheers again for your reply.

 

Ive elevated him to 60 now...to keep Senya and Sweet happy.

I think that shall be his final resting place on my list...Ive looked up a ton of him on the net and the books I have today and its all really the same stuff that I can find..pretty vague at times but he is considered a truly great fighter.

 

Thats what Im saying.

I have books where he is mentioned also but not in any greater detail.

 

That'll do pig...Over it. That last 20 I was just banging in random names, I thought I missed out on heaps so I kept going to 120.

Couldnt be bothered going and researching every fighter individually..taking to much of my time trying to perfect it. Its probably far from it now, full of contradictions and misplacement's Im sure but it will do..Im sorry I missed out on Tarver and Joppy though.
So here it is..my alltime top 120.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Benny Leonard
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Muhammed Ali
10. Joe Gans
11. Archie Moore
12. Joe Louis
13. Sugar Ray Leonard
14. Mickey Walker
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Sandy Saddler
18. Gene Tunney
19. Carlos Monzon
20. Barney Ross

21. Marvin Hagler
22. Tony Canzoneri
23. Ike Williams
24. Bob Fitzsimmons
25. Emile Griffith
26. Kid Gavilan
27. Eder Jofre
28. Alexis Arguello
29. Tommy Hearns
30. Julio Cesar Chavez
31. Charley Burley
32. Joe Walcott
33. Salvador Sanchez
34. Jose Napoles
35. Carlos Ortiz
36. Michael Spinks
37. Fighting Harada
38. Roy Jones Jr
39. Luis Manual Rodriguez

40. Jimmy McLarin
41. Tommy Loughran
42. Rocky Marciano
43. Harold Johnson
44. Manny Pacquaio
45. Wilfredo Gomez
46. Ruben Olivares
47. Jake Lamotta
48. Holman Williams
49. Ted Lewis
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Jack Johnson
52. Dick Tiger
53. Abe Attell
54. Terry McGovern
55. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
56. Wilfred Benitez
57. Carlos Zarate
58. Bob Foster
59. Jack “Kid” Berg

60. Packey McFarland
61. Lou Ambers
62. Jim Driscoll
63. Stanley Ketchel
64. Dave Holly
65. Kid Chocolate
66. Miguel Canto
67. Azumah Nelson
69. Mike McCallum
70. Manuel Ortiz
71. Oscar De La Hoya
72. Vicente Salvidar
73. Pascual Perez
74. Lennox Lewis
75. Billy Graham
76. Young Corbett
77. Felix Trinidad
78. Billy Conn
79. Aaron Pryor

80. Joe Frazier
81. Lloyd Marshall
82. Nicolino Lochee
83. Flash Elorade
84. Jack Britton
85. George Foreman
86. Larry Holmes
87. Tiger Flowers
88. Jeff Fenech
89. Antonio Cervantes
90. Marcel Cerdan
91. Ricardo Lopez
92. Carmen Basillo
93. Jack Dempsey
94. Duillo Loi
95. Evander Holyfield
96. Joe Brown
97. Erik Morales
98. Gene Fullmer
99. Mike Tyson
100. Beau Jack

101. Pancho Villa
102. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
103. Sammy Angott
104. Lew Tendler
105. Marco Antonio Barrera
106. Bob Montgomery
107. Ismael Laguna
108. Fritizie Zivic
109. Jack Dillon
110. Jersey Joe Walcott
111. Jim Jeffries
112. Young Griffo
113. Eusebio Pedroza
114. Jimmy Bivins
115. Kostya Tszyu
116. Owen Moran
117. Nino Benvenuti
118. Joe Calzaghe
119. Abe Goldstein
120. Johnny Kilbane

 

Certainly is...not yours?

 

Ortiz has a stellar resume and if you can get some more video you can see how well rounded and skilled he was in his prime.

Incidentally I have Benitez at 56..making him no3 PR behind Gomez who is at 45.

 

Certainly helps, in fact it is the main reason he is in there...Laguna was a great fighter in his own right though..Also beat Ishimatsu, Camora, Ramos and Hernandez..Two time undisputed champ.