World boxing champions whose best win was a non-title fight?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I’d argue Ray Mancini’s best win (not just scalp, but performance-wise) was him pitching a shutout against Jose Luis Ramirez, who had decked and lost a very disputed split decision to Alexis Arguello eight months prior, and who would go on to do some pretty special things.
     
  2. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wasn't Tarver's first win over Jones a non Title fight ?
     
  3. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Member Full Member

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    His second win was a non-title fight.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It truly was. But plaudits and kudos out to all who made that happen and thumbed their noses at the WBA and WBC who were blocking their way with their hands out for a sanctioning fee. We would have all been deprived that fight if not for those who took the bull by the horns.
     
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  5. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First one that came to mind was Zarate vs Zamora. Huge fight at the time and huge win for Zarate. His biggest win for sure
     
  6. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    Shannon briggs wins over George Foreman and Ray mercer are certainly better than the win over siarhei liakhovich.
    (This was supposed to be the first post of the thread, but this incredibly "difficult to write" belarusian name ruined everything)
     
  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am going to be that person...

    There will be a lot of good fighters with their best wins being for a NBA or NYSAC title...
     
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  8. The Fighting Yoda

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    I know these associations (Maybe you can also include the IBU for a short time). I just thought it wouldn't change something and I didn't want to make it complicated. I thought more about heavyweight division though.
    But feel free to add appropriate examples?
     
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  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There could be an argument for Beau Jack's three round win over Tippy Larkin.


    Hedgemon Lewis over Backus


    Ken Overlin beating Caferino Garcia.
     
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  10. The Fighting Yoda

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    Good examples for title fights! Okay I will change it in: “Btw with title fights I mean: Universal/Lineal, World Colored Championship Title, NBA, NYSAC, WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO”. I hope it is complete now. Thus, your examples will not count anymore as non-title fights.
    All previous picks should remain valid.
    Let's go the whole hog. I will add the World Colored Championship Title too if somebody want to dig deeper to find the best non-title fights for guys like Sam Langford, Harry Wills or Charley Burley etc.
     
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  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sam Langford over Joe Gans.

    Harry Wills over Sam Langford (pick whichever one you like)

    There’s an entire generation of these if anyone wants to list them.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

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    Ken Overlin beating Ezzard Charles.
     
  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just looking at that detail, yes, but not necessarily in context.


    Charles is clearly greater, much greater, than Garcia, but in context to when the fights happened in their careers, there is an argument to say the Garcia win was more impressive.
     
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  14. Jason Thomas

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    most have been mentioned, but popping to mind

    Schmeling over Louis
    LaMotta over Robinson
    Williams over Gavilan
    Dempsey over Sharkey
    Baer over Schmeling
    Canzoneri over McLarnin
    Downes over Giardello
    Johnson over Charles/or Moore

    not making the cut
    Charles over Moore. I think the wins over Walcott were bigger, as Walcott was a heavy and Moore a light-heavy.
     
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  15. janitor

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    Quite a lot of them to be honest.