Worry most about Tyson or Frazier?

First of all, Tyson was NOT much bigger than Frazier. In fact, I'd argue that Frazier was a little taller than Tyson, with longer arms. Tyson definitely had the scarier upper body, especially the immense size of his neck, but Frazier's legs were just as thick, if not thicker than Tysons.

Frazier never really tried to intimidate when he fought. From what Eddie Futch said about Frazier's career, Joe always treated each opponent like a good meal that's getting ready to be eaten.

Joe wouldn't have intimidated Holmes, Spinks, or Holyfield. When he was on his game, prime Frazier was more often smiling at the stare downs, almost showing an uncanny eagerness to get the fight going.

Overall, Tyson is probably more fearful than Frazier in the first couple of rounds. There's no denying the difference in speed because Frazier historically is a slow starter, which I believe is borderline rediculous. Any heavyweight when compared to Ali is going to look slow.

If Tyson came at me like he did against Holyfield in the first fight, or how he stalked Jesse Ferguson and broke his nose, or like he did to Frank Bruno and Bruce Seldon, I'd be pretty scared too.

Frazier is still more scarier because I wouldn't want to be in the ring against him if I survived the early rounds. Just imagining the thought of him smiling coming out of his corner for the 3rd or 4th round, warmed up and ready to put the pressure on is a very scary thought itself.

Tyson starts to bog down after the middle rounds, not maintaining the same pace from the early rounds. Frazier gets faster and more calculated to the body after the early rounds. Mentally, Tyson could be very scary, knowing full well that one solid right hand shot could knock anyone out at any time in the fight. His punch output diminishes but his power stays the same.

 

Frazier hands down, he just keeps comming,Tyson gases and if hes backed up its all over.

 

I would hate to be in the ring with either man.

Of course, by size, I meant weight, and it is always astonishing to me that the 5'11" Tyson, in his prime, was heavier than even George Foreman. Talk about intimidation!

At any rate, I see a pattern developing here: the intimidation factor decreases the longer you hang in there with Tyson. It increases the longer you stay in the ring with Frazier.

 

I agree. What I was saying was that the only way I would have wanted to fight Frazier is if I had freakish one-punch power.

 

both. but i'll go with frazier.

 

More in the "pain bracket" and if the fighter understood this they would not relish the prospect.

 

Tyson would worry me.

If you're an undefeated Champion about to face an undefeated Tyson or Frazier both at the top of their game then any potential psychological flaws that Tyson may have would not be revealed nor would the talk of it be credible. The premise is to look at this thread in foresight not hindsight.

There was never a point in Joe Frazier's career that Joe appeared more intimidating than Mike Tyson. Tyson appeared to have answers for anyone and everyone. There was no "bully factor" or "if you stand up to him" rhetoric there was just highlight reels of previous opponents.

Back then Frazier would have appeared to have been the easier fight.

Evander Holyfield was intimidated before their first fight. He was confident and fought that way but during the ring announcement you can see it in Holyfield there was some worry as opposed to the 2nd fight when he looked supremely confident.

Watch the start of both fights while they are announcing Holyfield- you'll notice a difference.

 

The Tyson that beat Berbick and Spinks would scare me more than smokin' Joe. He was awesome and would win his fights without throwing a punch.

 

Were is this Tyson is big comeing from?? The guy had the same hight as Rocky Marciano.

 

If i was 6ft 3 and had the reach and an iron jaw with good power in my right hand then id fight Tyson, Even in Tysons prime you could frustrate him and at times control him if you had distance Tillis showed this and Douglas even more so Tyson would start to decline mentally and physically from the 6th on and id knock him out in the late rounds,Frazier is different because hes a slow starter and he comes on in the later rounds id bang his body and take some stamina away from him.

 

Isnt the premise of the thread that you are undefeated facing another undefeated champion in either Tyson or Frazier?

If that is the case then there is no Douglas loss to look at. Also Frazier being the slow starter would allow most to get into fight alot sooner and assert themselves thereby giving one a proper chance.

Given your attributes of having an iron chin and power in your right hand then Frazier should be the easier fight.

 

I think that Tyson without a doubt would generate the most instinctive fear, and I supposse that's the essence of intimidation. But if you're able to look at it in a more cold, calculated way (not easy at all when you awaiting the opening bell with a snarling prime Tyson pacing the other side of the ring) Joe may just be the more scary prospect, beacuse he was more liable to ruin you. Tyson often got people out of there pretty quick, but Frazier pummeled his opponents down in stages.

A rapid fire KO is not exactly my idea of a nice time, but having someone first methodically beat your ribs, hips and midsection into submission before going for the head is probably even worse.

 

Frazier.

I mean Tyson was imtimidating, hit extremely hard and had great speed, very good chin, different to tag with that bob & weave movement, but I'm going on heart and stamina.

If you could stand up to Tyson and show no fear, then you were half way there. If he sure you were intimidated he would thrive on that and jump on you, if you stood up to him I think he'd be a bit fearful himself.

Frazier had a lot of heart, I don't think he'd be so easy to discourage and win a psychological battler against. Also he's relentless and works for 3 minutes of every round, you don't get away from him.

Tyson had a great chin? He was stopped 5 times in his career. Morrison, Moorer and Briggs were all stopped less but most people consider them to have glass chins. Pretty amusing if you think about it. If you hit Tyson you took his heart, You couldnt take Fraziers heart. You punch him and he just keeps coming forward. Frazier fought in a era when men were men, Tyson fought in a era where if you beat up a woman and raped 1 you were considered a bad man.

I would choose to fight the weak chin coward Tyson over Frazier a true warrier who was only stopped by Foreman.