Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Contro, Jun 15, 2016.
Prefer to here what Rooney thought about it all!
Wait Froch and Byrd were cornered and trained by there wives?! lol!
Mickey Duff asking Honeyghan ''Are you tired?'' after Lloyd had spent around nine rounds just punching arms and getting countered and Duff again during the Mugabi v Hagler fight saying to John ''listen to the preacher if you won`t listen to me''! What the f..k was a preacher doing in Mugabi`s corner, then again he probably knew as much about boxing as Duff did.
Maybe not the worst but certainly a bit of an oddity was the first fight between Hedgemon Lewis and Billy Backus. Somewhere during the fight Backus' manager Tony Graziano and Billy's uncle Carmen Basilio had a bit of a disagreement on who was giving instructions and actually came to blows during a round. Billy said he wasn't sure if it was safer to go back to his corner between rounds or stay in the middle of the ring.
Nice info robert ungurean....I completely forgot about Dundee lingering on with Ali so late into his career...was Dundee there for the Ali vs Berbick fight as well as Ali vs Holmes?
If so, his standing should be significantly reduced - Ferdie Pacheco tells a great anecdote in Thomas Hauser's Ali biography about how he (Pacheco) could tell Ali was a shot fighter pre-Holmes, and as a result resigned from the camp in protest when his concerns were ignored.
Very commendable on Pacheco's part.
Pacheco also described very colorfully the typical, parasitical sycophants that attached themselves to Ali in those later years of his career.
Dundee shouldn't get a pass on this...a good trainer (as Dundee undoubtedly was) should be able to tell when their fighter is done as early (if not earlier) than any doctor.
I wonder what justifying / rationalizing lies Dundee told himself before and after that travesty.
I dont know about Berbick fight as I was never as Ali fan. His rational for Holmes fight was he was waiting for a signal from Elija Muhammads son when to stop it if Ali was taking a beating which he was for many many rounds to the point Holmes himself was holding back. Then Dundee starts with his whole " I'm the chief second and I stop the fight" like hes a big hero. Meanwhile that fool Bundini was crying for the fight to go on. Dundee let his man get beat half to death while waiting for a signal because he couldn't bring himself to man up and stop the fight regardless of Herbert's Consequences. Disgusting and cowardly.
Corner work doesn't end with the fight. One has to look out for their fighter even after the contest. The following is a quote from Art Hafey (his cornerman was Burke Emery). Emery had him back in the ring 2 months after a hernia operation.
"Now, a lot of people think the Danny "Little Red" Lopez fight ruined my career, but it was the Rodolfo Moreno fight. My mobility after the operation was limited and, although I knocked him out in the 10th round, my left eye was swollen shut, my head was swollen. The ringside physician didn't even give me an icepack. I should have gone to the hospital, instead they took me out to a party. I ended up with impaired vision after that fight. Blind areas in my field of vision."
The idiot in the captain's hat in McClellands corner vs Benn
Eddie Mustapha in Barkley's corner vs Toney
Davey Moores corner vs Duran
These jump out immediately besides Dundee in Ali's corner vs Holmes
Best thing Vince could of done was pull Nathan out. After all big Terry already done half the job by carrying him back to the corner at the end of the 3rd.
I dont think father and wife type corners should count. It is almost inevitable that theyd do a bad job
Anyone remember Floyd Mayweather Sr's advice between rounds in Oscar's corner for the Hopkins fight ??
"Man, this mother****er ain't doing **** !!" - Talking about Hopkins who was easily winning the fight
And just before the start of a round "Look man, just go out there and whoop his ass"
I had Oscar winning the fight at the time of the stoppage....seems silly now, but that's how I saw it.
Of course, any Floyd Sr corner gets an honorary mention....Sr's best work is always done (I think) pre-fight / in camp, and not in the corner.
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There's one bout I cannot recall who the participants were, but it was in Sydney in 2006 on a Anthony Mundine vs Danny Green under card bout.
It was truly bizarre, one of the corner's had what looked like a couple of clueless, fat, long-haired raskols who'd been kidnapped straight out of the PNG bush and thrown in the corner...absolutely out of their depth, placing the stool upside down, constantly looking over their shoulder as though they didn't understand the concept of a break between rounds meant they bout had stopped for 60 seconds, from memory they did more damage squirting water into their fighter's eyes that help etc.
When small town boxing hits the big smoke!
Lewis V McCall
Correa to Lewis..
Just forget everything I taught you and just knock him out!!!
I remember that. I was wracking my brain on who said it - couldn't remember. Thank you.
This. Snowell’s side makes since, considering Tommy Brooks, who also trained Tyson mentioned constantly having his legs pulled from underneath him from Tyson’s handlers.