Worst judges?

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Need to be repeat offenders (as one bad card can be a fluke).

    In recent years, Doug Tucker would have to be the forerunner.

    Navarro a shut out over Mijares, Marquez 118-109 over Barrera, Griffin 119-109 over Toney, and TOS beating Wlad after 5 rounds? Yikes.

    Thankfully his schedule of sitting on several panels a year since the late 80's seems to have ground to a halt following his miserable tabulation in the Mijares-Navarro fight well over a year ago. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
     
  2. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, there should be a review board for Judges. or a rating system. to try and avoid these tragic results from happening. How about the man in your Avatar. in the two decisions against Paulie Ayala?? Horrible!!
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    Duane Ford has a few bad ones. Having Foreman behind by just one point against Moorer going into the 10th, giving Taylor the last round against Hopkins in the first fight.

    Ken Morita had Douglas losing against Tyson going into the 10th. He also had De La Hoya beating Quartey by FOUR points.

    Glen Hamada had Katsidis beating Diaz, Mayweather winning 11 of 12 rounds against Judah, Jones winning 9 of the 12 rounds in the first fight with Tarver.
     
  4. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    FYI - under the "Name" link on Boxrec you can look up judges. It doesn't have all their scoring, of course, but can still be sort of interesting. Looking up Eugenia Williams (had Holyfield beating Lewis), there didn't seem to be much else too crazy (though it was 4 years after that fight before she got another one - interesting).

    For Boxrec to truly serve the ultimate good, compiling the round-by-round scores would be amazingly useful from an accountability standpoint, if never actually practical (at least historically).
     
  5. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Chuck Giampa has had a few eyebrow raising scorecards.
     
  6. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Courtesty of Boxrec, one of the recent Sturm/Gevor judges, Daniel Talon, has an interesting history. The Kameda fight is the only one I know as a notorious robbery, but some of his cards seem seriously out to lunch.

    Sturm/Gevor
    Raul Caiz 115-113 | judge: Ruben Garcia, Dr. 115-113 | judge: Daniel Talon 117-111 ~

    Sprott/Dettweiler
    referee: Franco Ciminale 114-112 | judge: Raiko Djajic 116-112 | judge: Daniel Talon 111-115 ~

    Kameda/Landaeta (widely considered a robbery)
    judge: Kwang-Soo Kim 115-113 | judge: Daniel Talon 114-113 | judge: Gustavo Padilla 112-115 ~

    Wladimir Sidorenko Draw Ricardo Cordoba
    judge: Ruben Garcia, Dr. 114-114 | judge: Guy Jutras 114-114 | judge: Daniel Talon 118-111 ~

    Athanas Nzau L Leva Kirakosyan
    judge: Alfred Asaro 114-116 | judge: Pawel Kardyni 115-113 | judge: Daniel Talon 111-118 ~
    [I suppose Kardyni could be out to lunch here, too...]

    Julien Lorcy D Arnulfo Castillo
    judge: Raul Caiz 112-112 | judge: Daniel Talon 116-112 | judge: Harold Lederman 113-113
     
  7. Tin_Ribs

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    Newton Campos 118-113 for Whitaker-Ramirez I. Ouch.
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    Tommy Kaczmareck has had some strange ones.

    Leonard beating Hearns in the rematch, De La Hoya beating Mayweather. I actually didn't score the great rubber match between Marquez and Vazquez, but I see that most people agreed with Izzy winning. Kaczmareck had Marquez winning 114-111. He had Forrest beating Mosley in the first fight 115-110. Round 2 was a 10-7 and round 10 probably 10-8, so that means he actually gave Mosley 5 of the 12 rounds in that bout, which is way more than probably anyone else gave him.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'll cut Chuck some slack and chalk it up to law of averages - he's done what, a trillion title fights? :lol:
     
  10. bxrfan

    bxrfan Sizzle Full Member

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    Jerry Roth gives him a run for his money!
     
  11. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Daniel Talon seems like he's 'that guy', the one judge on a card that always seems to have something wacky.

    The 114-113, 115-113, 120-108 guy.

    Both Eugenia Williams and Ken Morita will always be memorable for me.

    Honorable mention for Mike Glienna's incredibly lazy 89-87 for Rahman-Tua I, scoring 5 drawn rounds.
     
  12. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eugenia Williams should never be allowed to judge another important boxing contest or any boxing contest for that matter.

    I don't want to see this woman anywhere near a scorer's table ever again.
     
  13. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hey come on now, that pillar was in the way! Plus she doesn't have access to punchstats y'know... ;)
     
  14. ChrisPontius

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    Barring a few examples, it has nothing to do with bad scoring, and everything with corruption. Bit those Sauerland judges earn more money than the fighters on the undercard.
     
  15. Jack Dempsey

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    Whoever judged the Roy Jones Olympic final