Worst managed fighters of all-time?

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  1. Dark Sider

    Dark Sider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vargas-- pushed too soon into facing Trinidad, and then DLH.

    David Reid-- Does NOT belong on this list. He had problems with his drooping eyelid. Had he not lost to Tito, his vision would have failed and he would have just lost to a subpar fighter like Kirino Garcia. I consider Reid VERY well managed.

    A poorly managed fighter is someone whose best assets and attibutes weren't capitalized on. There's no reason NOT to put a guy like George Chuvalo against the best of the best-- its not like he's going to get hurt, or retired no matter who he faces.

    But rushing even a talented fighter, the MOST talented fighter, has consequences.

    Oleg Maskaev was put in too soon against guys with great winning records.

    Jeff Lacy being fed to Calaghe when he hadn't completed enough of a learning curve.

    Bernard Hopkins COULD have made this list if he had stayed with the idiots who put him in with a cruiserweight and made him eat to make the weight...but we know how that story turned out.

    DLH was no all-time-great but he was VERY SMARTLY managed to meet shot, past it and underweight fighters when he was at his peak.

    Any thoughts on this?
     
  2. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    pete rademacher was pitched just a tad bit early vs patterson i think.
     
  3. Dark Sider

    Dark Sider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    LMAO! I was gonna mention this.

    But it seemed like an obvious setup. Even in that era, they had to know a fighter needed a few pro fights before getting a title shot. Rademacher maybe wanted easy money for one night's work.
     
  4. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Jermain Taylor to some degree. Too many fights with elite fighters with no tune ups in between and some fights with guys he would not get credit for even had he won, like Spinks and Ouma. I think part of that had to do with JT's willingess and desire to take on all comers but as managers, you should intervene and look out for the fighter's best interests.
     
  5. Dark Sider

    Dark Sider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But JT won a title, defended it a few times, and then lost to a better fighter. Seems well managed to me.

    btw-- DLH wanted to fight for a title in his first fight. Sheer arrogance...
     
  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Gerry Cooney was one. He should have fought Weaver in 1982 and another fight before Holmes. His managers were idiots and cashed him out by putting him in there with Holmes like they did.
     
  7. Flintman

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    Gerry Cooney. Badly managed, poorly trained.

    In the 2 years leading up to his fight with Larry Holmes, Cooney fought two old fighters Ken Norton and Ron Lyle. He knocked them both out in the 1st round.

    The total time Cooney was in the ring in the 2 years leading up to the Holmes fight was 3 minutes and 3 seconds. :-(

    What kind of preparation is that for a fight with the highly experienced champion Larry Holmes?
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Shane Mosley comes to mind. His career decisions have been suspect since beating DLH the first time. After that fight, he couldn't agree to terms for a rematch so he fought a couple of decent fighters and then Forrest instead.:-( After losing that fight, he probably should've taken a tuneup fight or two. Instead, he fought Forrest again, and lost again.

    He fought Raul Marquez before resurrecting his career with a "win" over Hoya. He was offered $12 million for a 3rd fight with Hoya. He turned that down and took a fight with Winky Wright for $3 million.:-( Shane was domintated in that match and then foolishly agreed to a rematch. His career was in tatters again. However, he recovered again by beating Vargas and then beating him again in a pointless rematch. After that, he had an opportunity to fight Mayweather but demanded the bigger purse. He then came back 1 year later and agreed to get the smaller purse in order to fight Cotto in the Garden.
     
  9. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Was Pete Rademacher the guy that fought for the World Heavyweight Title on his pro-debut then against Patterson?
     
  10. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    odlh is definately an atg
     
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oleg Maskaev was thrown in against former world champion Oliver McCall in his 7th pro fight and fought a 26-0 prime David Tua in his 12th fight. So he was clearly pitched in against fighters way more experinced than himself wat to early. So he clearly was very poorly managed early on in his career.
     
  12. Flintman

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    Why? He's a mediocre fighter who has been sheltered from better fighters who could expose him.

    As long as they don't put him in the ring with Pavlik, he's being managed well enough.
     
  14. Serpent Saint

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    :lol:
     
  15. Andrey

    Andrey Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think anyone comes even close to the abuse Oleg Maskaev got from his managers.

    He didn't have a gold medal when he made his pro debut even though he was a pretty solid amateur, but it's not like he was some beast from Olympics.

    His pro debut:::

    ALEX MIROSCHENKO 21-0 :scaredas: :scaredas: :patsch :twisted: :twisted: This is looks like only second guy to to EVER stop Ross Purity, Vitali being the first.
    Now it might have been padded but it 21 and ZERO.

    Oleg knocks him out.

    Fifth fight, Oleg gets thrown in with greatest chin of all time, and former world Champion who knocked Lennow Lewis out few months earlier Oliver McCall.

    Oleg gets knocked out.

    Keeps on fighting undefeated and great records until like 13th fight gets thrown in with DAVID TUA. One of the fiercesent and most feared conteders who was 26-0. Oleg dominates but gets gassed and knocked out in later rounds.

    Who fights 12 rounders after their tenth fight??:patsch :patsch Especially against an iron chinned fighter like Tua.

    What the hell were they thinking??



    Andrey