Worst matchup for Mike TYSON ?

lol, Vitali lost to the two best fighters he ever fought. Quit on his stool up big. Then cherry picked and failed to take on the divisions best. His last fight he wasted on some tomato can named Charr instead of a hot young rising prospect

Vitali totally unproven crap resume

 

Disagree ... Tyson's defense , speed, combination punching and two handed power would be unlike anything Foreman ever saw .. George either hangs on for his life like a Bonecrusher or gets stopped ... the obvious match ups are the toughest .. a best version of Ali, Lewis, maybe Holmes , Vitali ...

 

Disagree... Tyson is taylor made for Big George; just like Frazier was: a smaller swarmer forced to get close and take the fight to Foreman.

Certainly Tyson's overall skilll and speed are superior to Frazier's. But on the other side, Tyson has less stamina, toughness and heart than Smoking Joe.

IMO Tyson is going to keep things interesting for some rounds with bobbing and weaving. But soon or later he will need to close the distance and that peekaboo defense is not going to hold forever.
As soon as Big George starts landing it is Goodnight Vienna for Tyson.

 

Professional mature boxers aren't usually going out of their way to show off how physically strong they are in sparring sessions.

 

He has to come right to Foreman to land anything. Foreman would constantly disrupt Tyson's peak a boo style due to his Short height and reach framing him, manipulating his guard, pushing him back, etc. I think it's a horrible matchup. If you also factor in the psychological factor Tyson would probably crumble under the pressure unless he manages to stop Foreman early going all out from the opening bell.

Tyson's faster, yes but he'd be like a horse trying to run through quick sand. Foreman would constantly be trying to smother him, rough him up, and make it an ugly and painful night walking Tyson into his powerful jab and uppercuts. I know you'll disagree so let's leave it at that, you think like every other HW champion beats Foreman.

 

This is going to get me crucified but I think Wilder would have a good chance. He's got huge advantages in height and reach, and if he can catch Tyson coming in that could be a big problem for Mike. I'd say its 50/50, who lands first.

 

Ah yes, the man who thinks that boxers in the ams are like toddlers and that a boxer’s physical strength cannot be gauged via sharing countless sparring rounds and a five minute professional match.

 

If you're talking about the Beterbiev thread you're even dumber than I thought. I'm not even going to bother explaining things to you all over again. You will double down and stick your fingers in your ear with 30+ people telling you you're wrong. And you're a hypocrite.

This is all that I'll say: just like pro boxing is 1000x more relevant than amateur boxing, pro matches are 1000000x more relevant than sparring matches. You don't usually get paid to spar and there's no belt or ranking on the line, so naturally guys aren't going to always go all out. This may shock you, but guys will sometimes be sent home for showing off and being too aggressive in sparring, which is why all sparring tales are taken with a grain of salt by anyone with common sense.

 

Not saying I necessarily agree or disagree but your opinion is just as good as anyone else’s bro and doesn’t in anyway warrant crucifixion - if it did, at least you would’ve died for a good cause: standing up for your right to opine Anyway , Wilder could certainly hurt Mike if he managed to connect flush before Mike did.

 

I mean that kind of verifies what I thought to an extent don't you think? Tubbs mentioning aggression and punching power means he probably wasn't only talking about raw physical strength.

Coetzer was a strange case because Foreman and Bowe stopped him within the same round. Foreman dropped Coetzer twice, yet he said Bowe hit harder?

Hoylfield fought Bowe 3x and Foreman once but didn't hesitate to pick Foreman in both categories of strength and power. It's a little puzzling.

As for Liston, Foreman himself was in awe of Listons physical strength so that checks out. Foreman was also basically a teenage with only 4 fights when he fought Wepner and wasn't remotely fully grown.

I am not remotely suggesting Tyson is weak or that in an arm wrestling match Foreman would snap him like a twig. Tyson was obviously very strong. I just think given the height/stature difference and clash of styles, even if for the sake of argument they're close in strength, Foreman would have some advantages in the clinching/rough housing department. Tyson simply didn't always exert himself when it came to the up close rough stuff. Even Mathis Jr made him look goofy for a few rounds.

I mean...we can simply look at the dozens of clips available of Foreman casually pushing guys around like bowling pins. One boxer sparred with 70's Foreman and said he had ridiculous strength and would use 1 arm to move him after missing a jab and would walk him into a shot. I don't believe anyone ever outworked Foreman physically in either career. Some stuff is just obvious like looking at footage of a bull, you know the bull has crazy strength without actually trying to ride it or asking cowboys how strong a bull is.

I am certainly NOT suggesting that the words of fighters or actual strength training stats are irrelevant. I agree you generally have to look at all the facts.

Well Weaver and Norton were both jacked with insane physiques so that's both believable and not too shocking. Neither weaver nor Norton were the rough grappling type boxers and didn't bully people with their strength. From what I understand, despite Rahmans impressive lifting prowess, he rarely used it.

Holyfield not so much, he wasn't shy about being rough or wrestling up close.

A little surprising honestly. Lewis seems to be all over the place. Some people are in awe of Lewis, others continuously dismiss him or dont seem to have gotten a very strong impression of him. He's kind of an enigma. I don't just mean for strength, but his skill, power, even his resume is often very polarizing with mixed opinions.

He definitely was. I'm just saying the fact Spinx got steam rolled in 90 seconds and had a very thin HW resume (which means there weren't many people he could compare Tyson to) shouldn't be overlooked if we're really trying to get to the bottom of this subject.

Well the key difference between Tyson and Foreman isn't muscle mass, but bone density and frame. I think part of the reason Foreman had that rare combination of staggering clubbing power and brute strength is he had very dense bones and a big frame allowing for the attachment of plenty of slow twitch muscle. He reminds me of my friend who works at FedEx, the guys bones feel like a rock when you bump into him. He got mad one time and punched a dumpster leaving a dent and it didn't remotely hurt his knuckles or break any skin. Some guys are just "built different", but doing tons of manual labor/repetitive motions probably helped too.

I'm not 100% sure of the scientific accuracy of this, but I know for a fact some guys have a more robust bone frame.

As for Ali hanging with Foreman, several opponents of Ali stated he had amazing functional strength and it was difficult to fight him off in the clinches. Ali used very good leverage too, especially in Zaire controlling foreman's neck like a matador as he dived in.

 

No proof of a greater chin.
Heart don't mean **** if the other guy is better.
And the comparison to Buster is exaggerated.
Tokio Douglas beats any Ali from the 70s and even has a chance against 60s Ali, although he's the underdog.

 

The only "big puncher" Holyfield faced was Foreman.
Bowe was great, but not that huge of a puncher.
And those fights improved him as a boxer.

And that degraded his skillset.

Tyson did that cause he used coke, not steroids.

No, that was not a prime Tyson.
Prime Tyson ended in 88, after he fired Rooney.

 

TYSON Fury

 

I think it's clear on film that Ali struggled to control Foreman in the clinches early on.

 

Liston on paper looks like a good choice against Tyson, but I'm not sure if he's big and powerful enough to beat him.

Foreman is a decent choice, but I don't like someone with suspect defense against Tyson.

Louis is a good choice as well, but again - is he big and powerful enough?

Jeffries never fought against someone that powerful and that agressive.