Worst middleweights you'd pick to beat 2017 Golovkin?

How do you see the fight going? Talk me through it.

 

You see no issue with using a career worst type performance to characterize Toney? What about the career best performances Toney had against pressure fighters, like against Barkley?

 

My example has merit given it's an actual Middleweight fight. Tiberi though lacking Golovkin's punching power, was a physically strong educated pressure fighter of similar proportions with a tough chin and high work rate. Your argument is that it was simply an off night, which completely disregards the unique challenges Tiberi presented that caused it to be an "off night".

The way James Toney struggled with a 35 year old McCallum at Middleweight is another cause for concern. Toney struggled something terrible with McCallum's workrate, especially in the second fight, which was a bit of a robbery as well. Toney gassed and got beat up in that rematch.

Like Jirov, this is you trying to apply Toney's performances at higher weight classes to his MW days and it don't work that way. We aren't matching a less drained Super Middle Toney against Golovkin. Even then, a declining Barkely is no declining Golovkin. Barkely had already been whooped by everybody and their mother at this point.

 

This should be required reading for people who want to become dumber. He looked great. And experienced the kind of adversity expected when facing an all time great. No **** he missed punches, it's called boxing. Rocky missed big punches too, so did Liston , Lewis, and many other heavy handed punchers.

He landed more, kept Canelo on the ropes, took punches standing straight up while maintaining intelligent aggression.

Did you expect him to look better than ever against his toughest opponent? If you ask me, he did put on one of his best performances, considering he made Canelo look like David fighting Goliath, when they were fighting at the same weight. Totally dominated him. For Canelo to have earned a W, he would've had to stand toe to toe more and gotten knocked out. 118-110 will be known forever as a joke. The decision was a joke. Golovkin got robbed. He shouldn't even fight him again.

 

So we are looking at one round difference. 8-4 or 7-5, I think are both acceptable scores.

I can't believe how badly some of Canelo's rights missed against Golovkin, given he was so conservative against an aggressive opponent at a noticeable speed disadvantage. I think Canelo had some of the biggest whifffs of the fight to be honest.

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I think you are looking at it only way. Canelo gave a great defensive performance, he's always been an excellent defensive fighter and this was the most cautious and focused I've seen him. And Golovkin was very tight defensively as well. People going on about both guys being normally high percentage punchers but both punching at 30% in this fight...I wander why that is. They suddenly just didn't become inaccurate punchers over night.

Golovkin has been declining since Murray in terms of overall speed and activity. He's not aging well but his endurance and jab has been getting the job done.

 

People keep talking about Golovkin's misses...


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For a guy playing the counter puncher and being out thrown in almost every round, Canelo landed at a very poor percentage, only 33% to Golovkin's 31% according to compubox.

 

Great post. You just killed em softly.

The only thing I'd disagree with is Golvokin not aging well. For a boxer, you can barely see the age rust. Anyone else would've gotten winded and lost after throwing and pressuring at his pace.

 

Regarding that, I think of the Golovkin of the Proksa and Macklin fights, who was a relentless power punching machine. He's lost that. However, he makes up for it with the jab which has sustained his punch output. Without that jab, I don't think he would have overcame the youth and speed of Jacobs and Canelo.

 

I'm not going to split hairs over a round, that would be redundant.

I don't think either man threw exceptionally poor punches given they were against moving targets. Canelo's misses stand out more because he was the less active fighter and he was taking wider swings. If you are going to throw that many fewer punches than your opponent you have to make them count more.

That's pretty much what happens when a punch misses.

Golovkin did adapt which is why he took over after Round 3. Eventually he tired out a bit, chasing a younger faster guy, but his technical prowess and timing made even the late rounds very competitive.

 

I had Canelo winning rounds early and late. In between either all GGG or a few rounds too close to call. In the end I had it 5-5-2 a draw. Great fight.

I don't see GGG beating the top middleweights in my time.....Hagler, Monzon. Hagler was just too good overall and with a chin that would take him through big shots. Monzon had that all time jab and reach he used to keep beasts like Brisco and Valdez at bey plus that killer right that few could avoid.

 

That should be a lesson to you that when guys like Rocky do it, it's for stylistic reason, not technical deficiency.

There was one punch which Golovkin loaded and didn't even throw while moving forward. If it was an old schooler doing it, it would've been mocked. But Golovkin did it because that's his punching style, and after all, it does its job in imposing strength which is why Canelo had to move away. Golovkin, an undefeated MW just got robbed in a Draw against the other best MW in the world today. Nothing about missing punches detracts from him. Let's see him miss punches when Canelo stands toe to toe. Golovkin could've easily played the game that Canelo played.

 

This. It's absolutely ludicrous to think that GGG would have beaten Monzon.....even more so to think that Canelo could. I can envision a number of middleweight champions that could beat either one of them....and I'm a fan of GGG's.