Worst P4p #1 Fighter Ever?

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  1. jabber74

    jabber74 Active Member Full Member

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    I do agree, that as much of a fan of Norris as I was at the time, I was never 100% sold on him being considered p4p #1. I too thought his chin made him vulnerable of a KO at any time. I was proven right when Brown knocked him out.
     
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  2. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    True, he wasn't a bad choice to be regarded as pfp #1 for that spell (although Hagler was the stronger choice at the time i'd say) but due to his fall from grace, he's a fair shout for this topic (after all, being one of the worst of the very best is still high cotton). I always saw his reign as similar to Tyson's:
    A reign of 3+ years
    Regarded by many as the best pfp in boxing
    Thought to be almost unbeatable at the weight for a time
    Dominant over his opponents during that spell
    Beaten in a huge upset
    Regained version(s) of crown (Curry at light-middle).
     
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  3. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    If we're going strictly by ring rated p4p number 1's then probably Roman Gonzalez. I mean really, I respect Roman Gonzalez as a fighter but who really cares about midgets? I'm pretty sure Gonzalez is the first ever 5'3 ring rated p4p fighter in history, that's borderline dwarfism.
     
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  4. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shane Mosley for me.

    He had been talked up a lot in the couple of years prior to the Oscar win, showing that the industry considered him to have some 'Big Time' promise, which it seems they were prepared to bet on. The win against Oscar probably decided his place as the most marketable guy out there, while the air around RJJ seemed to be one of disappointment, in terms of his fight selections, and FMJ was still on the rise, just making his way towards the Big Time himself.

    Had the Pound-for-Pound assessments ever carried any sense of reality about them, then Trinidad (and I am not a huge fan, by the way) probably deserved to be considered #1 in 2000. Mosley would go on to have some fundamental flaws exposed in stark fashion, while Trinidad would attempt to climb a mountain and beat one of the best Middleweights for some time, in Hopkins. And so, the opportunity passed.
     
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  5. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lomo gets my vote. Some on this very site
    claimed he'd beat Roberto Duran, his pro
    record was like 13-1 at the time, and was
    already being compared with some of
    the greatest lightweights in history.
     
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  6. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LMMFAO. Post of the decade. Cheers, Eddie!!
     
  7. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

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    SRL was among those who strongly believed Donald was an ideal replacement for himself, and he certainly looked that way until Honeyghan's shocking upset. Fan's responded strongly to SRL's enthusiastic endorsement. Donald was also a big WW, so it looked like he could move up in weight to be similarly successful, as some dismissed Honeyghan as an issue of weight drained weakness. McCallum was a disaster though, and then I watched Rene Jaquot dominate him on the cards to become France's first world champion since Marcel Cerdan. Jaquot proved Donald truly had nothing left.
     
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  8. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

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    What Julian had done to him certainly would've been in the back of Terry's mind though, and there is that general axiom expressed by Gil Clancy that once a fighter has been knocked out, he'll be knocked out again in any rematches (as happened to Jackson himself with McClellan). Did anybody TRULY buy Terry as a P4P #1 without winning a Jackson rematch?
     
  9. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

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    I'm looking throughout history back to Terry McGovern (Nat Fleischer's idol), and I'm hard pressed to find or think of a weaker or more vulnerable proposed P4P #1 than Terry Norris.
     
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  10. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Wait, who was Curry rated #1 pound for pound by?
     
  11. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    The Ring pound for pound #1s so far:

    *Mike Tyson
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Pernell Whitaker
    Roy Jones Jr.
    Shane Mosley
    Oscar de la Hoya
    Bernard Hopkins
    Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    Manny Pacquiao
    Roman Gonzalez
    Andre Ward
    Gennady Golovkin
    Vasily Lomachenko
    Saul Alvarez
    Oleksandr Usyk
    Naoya Inoue

    Out of the retired guys, I think it's Ward *or Tyson, but I lean Ward. Everyone all together? It's probably Lomachenko. Close to saying GGG, but arguably he went unbeaten until his 40s and has a much better top win in Canelo.
     
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  12. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    Hagler was pound for pound number 1 for about 5 years before he lost to Ray Leonard in 1987,according to an annual ring magazine poll by a panel of 10 experts.They did the poll from 1980 onwards and I remember Curry was a long way behind Hagler in the 80’s.
     
  13. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    No. He was good at TKD on a national level, but not world level. (Actually, he didn't manage to represent the US.) He switched over to kickboxing to make some money and failed very quickly, going 2-1 as an amateur kickboxer before retiring.
     
  14. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

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    He quit competing because of headaches, but he's never stopped evolving as a striker, and he's now 55.
     
  15. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You forgot Tyson who was the number one until he lost to Douglas
     
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